Asmodeus

I agree. I just think the "common worker" in the field should be able to stand up for himself, and be paid a livable wage. I think Unions allow him to do so by turning his 1 into 1000. Being a carpenter or electrician is not something someone should get minimum wage for.. it's a career that men use to pay for homes and families.

Fun discussion though but I'm going to bed. Got to be at work by 6am

HTX

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Down here in the Lone Star State union workers are the first to get fired or laid off. And in Texas an emplorer does not have to give a reason for firing someone.
I love my conservative Republican state!!
P.S If you are bitching about not being paid enough get another job. If you dont have the education it is probably your own fault.

TWS

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It is more than perception. Have seen in several studies how the inflated cost of union benefits add $1200-1500 to the price of every GM vehicle. That is a tremendous price disadvantage compared to foreign, especially Asian, car brands.

I also saw the figure for how much GM pays just for erectile dysfunction medicine for it's union employees. I cannot remember the $ amount, but it was staggering. No, I'm not joking. The Union has GM by the ***** to the point they pay for viagra perscriptions.

But yes, on another point I think some CEO compensation is ludicrous. Especially when a board fires a CEO for poor performance! They give the schmuck several million or even tens of millions in a severance package. Why the hell for? The knucklehead couldn't perform! He/she should be given a couple cardboard boxes to clean out their desk and told to turn in their key card. Adios.

Kinda unrelated, but don't get me started about Congressional pay and pensions...

brad8266

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Thbey get good severance packages because they are on contract with the company for s et time. If the company wants the exec to leave then they have to arrange terms with the exec for him to leave or else there is a breach of contract and a huge lawsuit coming.

And yeah these damn congressmen get paid a lot for doing a lot of nothing and yet they can raise their salary by 5% yet only give the military a 2.2% raise this year. ******* toolbags.

So what they do is offer them a lot of money just to go away and stop ******* **** up. They can calculate how much they can give the guy in order to replace him and get someone else in there that can get the job done right. Its all about cost anylisys.

brad8266

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TWS

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They need to change that, if it's indeed the case. Top executives should be just like middle management, which means that are "at will" employees. "At will" employees can resign or be let go at any time.

statultra

honda owners like to say their car is light, but nobody cares, ive driven civics and such and they dont have great handling, its the type of car that "feels fast" or "feels tight" around corners and such, but its not, just perception.

A ls1 camaro will smoke a civic around corners,

people are dumb they believe since a Honda is rated so "high" in quality, that the vehicle can handle higher horsepower, for one thing I was a former owner of a 2000 Honda Odyssey, and the head gasket had a melted portion due to a defect in the design of the EGR Valve, honestly i lost all faith in honda after that, since they didnt care to fix the head gasket problem. I also had a 1993 Civic CX which the camshaft literally broke, ive never seen that before, after that i just gave up with Honda. If im going for a import its going to be a Toyota, simply for reliablity ( im not saying the f-bodies lack ) . i have a toyota prius as a daily driver, and coming soon is my camaro, and for sure the camaro will have better handling, the prius feels like carnival cruise lines on a tsunami with potatos

NightWindDriftr

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Hmm, I would imagine that a Civic would have a handling advantage at low speeds, thanks to FWD. Not to forget it's a lighter, smaller car overall. It may not handle like it's on rails (which is what every ricer seems to imply), but it's pretty agile. I'm sure it's no gap that Sam Strano can't fill in though..

Anyway, the only rationale for building up an economobile is to build a sleeper. But even that intent is questionable. Building a Civic that can burn an LS1 is cool at first, but by the end of the day you're still sitting in a Civic, parked next to all of your import circus homies at Jack-in-the-Box.

Only to be scrambled by the cops for loitering five minutes later...

****.

HTX

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Wow this is an old topic. Just for the record. I was not talking about civics when I was talking about superior handling, and imports that could beat an LS1. (obviously with mods) I was talking about Supras, 3000GT's, S2000's and M3's. I know that this topic was about Civics, but I was defending imports. All I said about my Acura was that it was nice and handled easier. (Not anymore Now i have a new supsension and wider wheels - my camaro hugs the ground good) I was not comparing the LS1 to a 120hp Civic.

brad8266

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Back from the dead.

LSONE

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I dont know how may times I've had to post this article for all the honda nut huggers that like to stir the pot around here, but I'll do it again for you.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....article_id=155

Check the Camaro's lap time. Check the S2000 lap time. Stop arguing, it lost.

TransAminal

Owned

HTX

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dumbass I said modded. The SS has 85 more HP than the S2000 and it only won by one second. If you squeezed 325 hp out of the s2000 (like the camaro) that one second would not be there.

And look at the slalom. The SS got beat by 5 mph.

I believe I havnt lost ****, but thank you for helping me prove my point.

manman

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[QUOTE=LS14urStang]When I was 16 years old and out car shopping, my dream car was a Z28. While a helped in buying my first car, I didn't make enough to buy a car on my own or pay insurance. So long story short I ended up with a honda. I drove the honda for almost 3 years. It was very reliable and good on gas. I enjoyed the little car and lightly modded it throughout the 3 years of ownership, but I never forgot my dream of owning a Z. Right before my 19th birthday I had saved enough money to get my baby. I bought a 1998 Z and never looked back. The car is awesome. In my opinion the car looks so much better. It is sooooooo much faster. Its so much more awesome to race vettes and stangs than V6 powered family sedans. I appreciate the art of taking something slow and making it quick. But when you take something fast and mod it....you have something special...something you can't easily get from a honda.

PS - No matter how much you spend on your honda it will never sound like a V8![/QUOTE]

I beg to differ

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1645997

LSONE

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That argument is retarded, anything can be made to go fast, be it around a track or in a straight line. I don't give a **** if the S2000 slalomed 20 mph faster, it still lost where it mattered, around the track. And considering that the S2000 is 3/4 the size and weight of an f-body, as well as built around track racing, and has IRS, it should slalom AND run the track faster.

the S2000 also lost in breaking, and lastly, it's apparent that they, much like you, couldn't drive a high powered RWD vehicle for ****, as they got a better 0-60 out of the S2k than the Camaro.

PS- the NSX also posted a lower slalom speed, I suppose the S2k handles better than that too, right?

06sierra2500

Well I must start by saying not all 18-25 year old kids like slow *** hondas. thats only the gay ones. I am 21 and think it is hilarious that I can whoop em up when I'm in my truck. but moral is not all kids are gay. Just the honduh boys.

HTX

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Then why the **** did you post that. You are arguing your own evidence. If you were a defence attorney, all your clients would get death penalty.

LSONE

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You're a ******* retard.

Who knows why I posted that.

crazboy99

im glad i spaced off for a few pages of that...stock is stock...modded is modded....if your gonna say if the s2k had 325hp then it would beat the camaro....the s2k wouldnt be stock....then the window opens up.....

SStheBest

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hmmm not to **** this up...but uhh i had a guy in a viper say the SAME THING to me about us LS1 guys and MUSTANG guys...infact the EXACT same thing...at a local meet one nite there was a kid who has this bad *** stang(running low 10's)...i was willin to call BS(b/c of the crowd he was around), however i had half the parkin lot call me out afterwards...including a guy who had a 408 T/A w/150 in his lower 40's just look at me and nod his head in truth, so he wasnt lyin....well i asked him(guy in the viper) if was gonna run em....he said yea but even if he lost its still a POS STANG at the end of the nite ......i couldnt argue.......all of us go out of our so called "car league" i dont see it that way but as u can tell that **** exsist with "high end" cars as well....LESS of it but it exsist