JayplaySS

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Totally stock looking 99+ GT with 600+ rwhp.....even stock wheels, that WOULD be a sleeper.

2000LS1TA

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one of my buddies have a 94 5.0 with a Vortech supercharger, headers, exhaust, and 3.73's. From a dig we both spin and he gets me by like 1-2 lengths. His car runs 13.0's, and mine runs 13.3's.

EVO 9

mine went 13.7@101 w/2.1 60' stock, with an Xpipe and weld in mufflers it went 13.4@103.9 w/ a 2.0 60'. its not lightning but pretty quick for a near stock car. it responded awesome to Nitrous though, with a 75 shot i was running 13.0@111 not spraying til after 2nd gear. with a 100 jets i took out a few modded Z06's, 03'cobras and even pulled a Ninja 636 from a 50 roll. they arent slow, but they arent the monsters that modded LS1's become with the right mods.

ChocoTaco369

13.0 sounds like something's wrong with that car.

2000LS1TA

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the car has HIGH milage, and has been beaten to **** since day one. He's gonna pull the 5.0 and get it freshened up this winter. It should be much faster, I know

unit213

No one said anything about easy. You asked if anyone has seen
any fast ones. If you want to change the criteria set, I'll post up
pics of N/A 2V's, N/A 3V's, etc. There are plenty of them that
are fast, trust me.

We all know that they don't respond well to bolt ons in stock or
near stock trim. So, if that's what you're asking...it's kind of a dead
horse.

Yep...they sure are. My post was in response to the one below
stating that only 03-04 Cobras and GT500's are the only ones
that count. Clearly, that's not the case.

Sure, but you can also go into the FI forum of some 'stang boards
and you'll see **** that the LSx crowd can't even fathom yet.

Jon B.

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Aint it the truth? I would love to have the Turbo aftermarket that Mustangs have for my car.

Jon

unit213

...and how about at the 'stang aftermarket pricing!

99Z28LS1

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if the aftermarket pricing for mustangs is SOOO cheap, then why are 75% of them slow. even with out my sts, i beat tons of them. if ANY car was THAT cheap to mod and make fast, wouldnt a lot of people be doing it? like around here, people think SRT4's get fas easy, and they do in a way compared to other regular cars. the chances of me seeing a mustang that will out run my camaro are very slim. and i've gone against a few 03-04 cobras with "490rwhp" to my little 465rwhp. they have more boost but cant even hang with a rear-turbo camaro.

i have a friend that i went to high school with and he has a SN95 with a 331 forged an a vortech blower on 8psi and he cant pull my stock motor sts with 7.5psi. granted, he could prob change the pulley and get more, he just couldnt walk my camaro. makes no sense to me. imagine him going against a big H/C LS1 that spent as much as i did on my turbo for an N/A set-up. he would get ate.

just my 0.2

unit213

Maybe 75% of them are slow where you live, but not in the Ford
capital of the world...which is where I live.

Are you telling me that there are no 11 second Mustangs in your
area? Wow...we have 8 second 'stangs rolling around here.

Boost is irrelevant. Power, weight, traction, and driving ability
is what counts. You know that you're talking about a measly
25rwhp right? Just because someone makes good power on a
dyno doesn't mean it runs well. There's a lot of other things
involved.


Why doesn't it make sense to you? You have more cubes and half a pound
less boost but a more efficient turbo. You should win that race. What
part of that aren't you seeing?

Any of this making sense to you or what? It's pretty basic **** to be
honest with you.

ponygt65

SOrry, but this thread goes hadn in hand with the 'ford needs FI to compete with an N/A chevy'.

Maybe some of you aren't familiar with Mod motors....let me sum it up for you. Mod motors were designed to make efficient good power. I mean...281CI with 260HP = .925 HP per CI. LS1's. 346CI with 350HP = 1.01. That is pretty close in comparison. Anyone that is into cars can tell you, Cubes make power. The LS has more cubes....it's truely simple mechanics. The mod motor is setup and designed completely different than a pushrod.


Why is that so hard to comprehend?

VENGEANCE

anything can be made fast, as stated. But i have NEVER been beaten by a 2v mustang. The only that even came close was when i wa sonly bolt ons, and he had a damn vortech. I gave up like 30rwhp, and still got him by like 2 cars.

if you are serious about performance, i dont know why anyone would buy them. Can they beat the typical rice rocket around town? yes. In most cases, they wont take down a LS1 though.

VENGEANCE

On that same note, 281 NA motors CANT make power an LS1 could if chevy wnated them too. Look at the other LSx motors, LS6 for instance. Do heads and cam on a 281 and you wont make anywhere near what a heads/cam LSx will make.

A bigger motor is going to make more power all things being equal. Its a scientific fact.

300bhp/ton

Yeah but you ain't looking at things equally. The 2v is the bottom of the range mod motor, not really sure why Ford used it in the Mustang at all.

The 5.0 DOHC unit is capable of over 400-450bhp in legal street trim. That's more than a LS6 even though it's giving away 0.7 litres displacement.

The 2v SOHC isn't great but it's nowhere near as bad as people think, personally I think it's amuch better performance platform than a stock 5.0/302 from the Fox bodies. I mean a 5.0 only has 225bhp stock compared to 260bhp for the 4.6 and a h/c/i 5.0 struggles to make more than 270-290rwhp for street trim n/a and will usually then be less than street ideal and pretty poor mpg.

The 4.6 with only cams and bolt ons will make as much or more power n/a and have better street manors and better mpg.

The only reason the 5.0's are fast is because of their weight advantage, which is nicely illustrated in the case of the 94/5 Mustang.

2v SOHC 4.6 - a great engine? = No, but it's a damn sight better than most give it credit for.

unit213

It was asked if all 2V's are slow. I post up some fast ones
and people reply that it's not "easy" or it cost too much.
Someone else says that only 03 Cobras & GT500's are problems
on the street. I post up other badass Mustangs and there are
again complaints.

I think people just want to be lied to. In that case...

Yes...all 2V Mustangs are slow!

Is that what you want to hear?
That's not the truth, but if it makes you sleep better at night.

02Vortech

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turbo fox's are bye NO MEANS SLOW-----

my local buddy is running 9psi on a bone stock 5.0 other then the turbo-

449whp, 532 ft.lbs,

pulls 1.4 60ft
and 10.5 @ 130mph--------- all thats done is the turbo, built 5-speed and some DR's

knight17Z

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Hell i liked them

BigBronco

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efficiency is more then just power per cube, it is power/mpg

I would much rather have 300 rwhp and 30 mph on the highway then a modular's 220 rwhp and 22 on the high way.

300bhp/ton

Nope they aren't, but I don't recall anyone saying they were??

ummm I think I'd have to say bs to that. Maybe I'm wrong,but at less than that HP most 5.0 split apart, litterally. Those blocks ain't so hot at big HP numbers.

Plus I doubt the stock internals would have held up, even though for a couple of years they had fordged pistons.

Lastly, 449rwhp that's like 500bhp SAE Net. Which is a lot considering the motor only had either 215 or 225bhp stock. A 350bhp Ls1 with 7psi of boost is only going to be makin a tad more.

I'm not saying it ain't possible, but the physics say there's more to it than is being let on. Either that or it's a bs rwhp number.

I mean again. A 260bhp 4.6 with 9psi will see 380-420rwhp. Fair do that's a supercharger, but a turbo isn't that much more efficent than a centrifugal blower and when the 4.6 was starting out with a substantial amount of bhp extra (260 vs 225).

Sounds bad ***, but I'd like to know some more info on it.

EDIT: BTW - if it is really making that kind of HP then coool but to be honest I've never even looked at turbocharging a 5.0 so I don't honestly know.

JayplaySS

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This whole post is borderline crazy. It really all depends on what " you " consider fast! I test drove an 06 GTO with my wife recently before I modded the SRT-4 and let me tell ya, she loved the TQ difference....but me....I was used to my car so it felt like we were towing a U-haul trailer full of cement! That does not mean an 06 GTO is " slow " but it IS slow to ME. Now if you are like a friend of mine who sold his Cavilier for an 03 Mustang GT...AUTO....he thinks it is fast as sh$t!! BUT...he raced my other friend with an A4 LS1 T/A and his exact words were " the race was as fun as a kick in the nuts "....But HE thinks it is fast......so yes there are plenty of fast 2V's but not the way they come stock UNLESS you are comparing them to 14 sec cars that MANY people start out with. Whew. My .02.