New GTI kill by a third gen
02-16-2007, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mrpopo573
Being a good friend with 302eater I can say he is hands down the best stick driver I have ever seen. His shifts are nearly as good as my t400s. THAT being said, he does truly know his car isn't fast guys. He isn't an arrogant ricer style third gener, but he does love to race, especially when he is supposed to lose. i give him tons of credit for that, cuz i have a lot of other people I know that just want for sure wins.
And in some instances, his car surprises those looking for an easy kill, or dismiss him as another mullet wagon.
Videos always help though, the net is filled with BS stories, so I understand the speculation.
And in some instances, his car surprises those looking for an easy kill, or dismiss him as another mullet wagon.
Videos always help though, the net is filled with BS stories, so I understand the speculation.
02-16-2007, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoss Ghoul
Good Kill.
I used to have a 90 RS with the 305TBI, bolt ons, gears, etc...fun car...beat a few 5.0's and my friends GTI VR6, even the occasional stock 350TPI.
I used to have a 90 RS with the 305TBI, bolt ons, gears, etc...fun car...beat a few 5.0's and my friends GTI VR6, even the occasional stock 350TPI.
Thanks man, but i'd stop there with listing cars you could beat with it before you start getting slammed.
02-16-2007, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 305 302eater
I agree with you and thats what i will be doing this summer to it. Till then i'm stuck with my "slow305"....
Block = 1983 4-Bolt main 305 (14010203 casting), Bored .040" over, Torque plate honed, Decked .025", ARP Main Studs, Align Bored...
Crank = Stock GM Forged Steel (3941188), Lightened, Smoothed, Knive Edged, etc for less windage, balanced with the entire rotating assembly...
Compression = 10.7:1 with 54cc heads, Zero Decked block, .038" compressed head gasket...
Heads - Ported 2004 ZZ4 castings ("463"s), .100" longer valves than stock (1.94/1.55 Under Cut Stems, Swirl polished), 5 angle valve job, Forget the exact spring but they are meant for the cam and .100" longer than stock valves, .600 lift compatible. Machined heads for Comp Cams guide plates after opening up pushrod holes in heads. Gasket matched to a Felpro 1206 (1.34" x 2.21")...
Head flow @ 28 in/h20 with a 3.75" bore simulator (engine has 3.776" bore)....
Lift------Intake---Exhaust
.100------57-------57
.200------123------118
.300------177------162
.400------223------183
.500------229------188
.600------238------193
Camshaft = Comp retrofit roller XFI280-H13 (280/288 @ .006, 230/233 @ .050, .576/.570" lift with 1.6:1 rocker, 113 LSA, 106 ICL) Cloyes Double roller timing set...
Intake Manifold = Holley Projection TBI for "OLD" style heads with the same bolt angle. This intake is a dual plane, high rise, with 2" bores. Gasket matched to the Felpro 1206 intake gasket...
TBI = 7.0 liter TBI unit, 68# injectors at 32 PSI, 2" bores, thinned throttle shafts, radiused the entrance to the bores, sitting on a 1" tall open center TBI spacer, 720 CFM @ 3.00 in/hg...
Headers/Exhaust = Hooker Super Comp 1 3/4" x 3.5" meant for a mid 70s Camaro with a 350. 3" duals with X-pipe (not used on dyno)...
All tuning done by owner...
Dyno Numbers...
RPM------HP----TQ
2,400----147----323
2,600----166----336
2,800----185----347
3,000----207----362
3,200----223----365
3,400----238----368
3,600----263----384
3,800----281----388
4,000----301----395
4,200----322----403
4,400----347----414
4,600----363----414
4,800----378----413
5,000----382----401
5,200----393----397
5,400----401----390
5,600----410----385
5,800----417----378
6,000----421----369
6,200----422----357
6,400----423----347
6,600----419----333
423 FWHP @ 6,500 and 415 ft/lbs @ 4,500
Not too shabby, if you ask me...
02-16-2007, 08:13 PM
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Ok guys this isn't about 305 bashing it was about me taking out a gti. Not hey lets argue about what power a 305 can or cant make. And know this thread is probably going to get locked cause of it.
02-16-2007, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Babble? Not to those who comprehend.
It's a general observation to someone who doesn't even bother to read what I said, only to then reply with incoherent nonsense disguised as some coherent point...
If you carefully inspect Preston's set-up (by reading the Super Chevy story), and then throw a 350 into the mix, you'll see what I'm getting at (as far as cost debate). I'm not "pro 305", I'm pro 454. However, making power with a 305 is easy, just as easy as a 350, when you know what you are doing...
Yes, a 350 will always make more power, obviously. Cubic inches make torque, more cubic inches, more torque. More torque, more calculated/potential horsepower. But Preston runs NINES in the 1/4 mile, that's my point. He spent about the same money he would have with a 350, and, if people consider a 305 running in the nines, with excellent street manners, getting better gas mileage than a 350, an engine more suited for "truck" applications, well, you figure it out lol...
It's a general observation to someone who doesn't even bother to read what I said, only to then reply with incoherent nonsense disguised as some coherent point...
If you carefully inspect Preston's set-up (by reading the Super Chevy story), and then throw a 350 into the mix, you'll see what I'm getting at (as far as cost debate). I'm not "pro 305", I'm pro 454. However, making power with a 305 is easy, just as easy as a 350, when you know what you are doing...
Yes, a 350 will always make more power, obviously. Cubic inches make torque, more cubic inches, more torque. More torque, more calculated/potential horsepower. But Preston runs NINES in the 1/4 mile, that's my point. He spent about the same money he would have with a 350, and, if people consider a 305 running in the nines, with excellent street manners, getting better gas mileage than a 350, an engine more suited for "truck" applications, well, you figure it out lol...
In any event, am I correct in saying that Preston's car would be further into the 9s with a 350 than a similarly built 305?
02-16-2007, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FoxNotch
In any event, am I correct in saying that Preston's car would be further into the 9s with a 350 than a similarly built 305?
I thought we were discussing if the 305 is more suited for "truck" applications? I thought we were discussing the fact that the 305 isn't a "performance" engine, like Ford's 302? I never said you can build more power with a 305 than you could with a 350, do you see how your not reading what I'm saying...?
Keep banging that head!
Originally Posted by 305 302eater
Ok guys this isn't about 305 bashing it was about me taking out a gti. Not hey lets argue about what power a 305 can or cant make. And know this thread is probably going to get locked cause of it...
02-16-2007, 09:28 PM
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I had a little idea to build a 305 that can handle some nitrous and make sure it was quiet, and make sure the car I threw it in looked like your standerd pos third gen. Then watched the surprised look on the cobras,ls1s,vipers,supras as I stomped them. And it seems that most you guys would fall for it.
02-16-2007, 10:04 PM
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I had a little idea to build a 305 that can handle some nitrous and make sure it was quiet, and make sure the car I threw it in looked like your standerd pos third gen. Then watched the surprised look on the cobras,ls1s,vipers,supras as I stomped them. And it seems that most you guys would fall for it.
02-16-2007, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 95_formula
I had a little idea to build a 305 that can handle some nitrous and make sure it was quiet, and make sure the car I threw it in looked like your standerd pos third gen. Then watched the surprised look on the cobras,ls1s,vipers,supras as I stomped them. And it seems that most you guys would fall for it.
Anything's possible - how much money you got?
02-16-2007, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
Trying to compare a chevy 305 to an 302 ho ford is no comparison, The ford will spank the **** out of the Chevy stock for stock. 
Like this?
305 302 eater is in the far lane. A 302 HO is in the near lane. Both modded,not stock as you say, but we all know that the 302 responds better to mods...
02-16-2007, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
I thought we were discussing if the 305 is more suited for "truck" applications? I thought we were discussing the fact that the 305 isn't a "performance" engine, like Ford's 302? I never said you can build more power with a 305 than you could with a 350, do you see how your not reading what I'm saying...?
Keep banging that head!
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Keep banging that head!
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02-17-2007, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by craz1469
then again a 1.6 honda isn't a performance motor put they still get some power out of it
People nowadays are running unbelievable numbers with their 305's, all thanks to proper valvetrains. Some people have it embedded in their minds, and they can't see anything else; "the 305 is a dog", when they refuse to understand what made it a dog in the first place. The factory did, with pathetic camshafts, and even worse cylinder head designs....
Originally Posted by kennyxg
Trying to compare a chevy 305 to an 302 ho ford is no comparison, The ford will spank the **** out of the Chevy stock for stock....
Stock for stock? Who said anything about stock for stock? Most "performance" 305's came with the peanut cam, and their high performance, high flowing, cylinder heads were everything but. I love how people take factory engines, and base their total ability on what the designers PUPRPOSELY EQUIPPED THEM WITH....
Is there some kind of torque God that dwells within, and only within, Ford's 302 block, over Chevy's 305 block LMAO? Ford's 302 came with a better valvetrain from the factory, and that's where true power lies, the valvetrain. Yes, the 305 is limited in reference to boring, but you don't need to run a 2.02 intake valve, not on a 305, and today's aftermarket seriously makes up for lost time....
By the way, until you actually build a similarly equipped car that can "beat" Preston's original 305 w/Vortech (I'm talking same set-up, same weight, everything), and run street legal ten second quarter mile times, with Ford's 302, your words will remain completely empty...
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02-17-2007, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
Trying to compare a chevy 305 to an 302 ho ford is no comparison, The ford will spank the **** out of the Chevy stock for stock.