New GTI kill by a third gen
02-17-2007, 09:41 AM
#101
Teching In
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NYC
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Street Lethal
LMAO, are you kidding? I love the way some people throw the concept of "9 seconds" around so nonchalantly. Yes, the 350 might squeeze a couple of "tenths" more with the very same set-up, your point though...?
02-17-2007, 02:44 PM
#102
WOW... There is so much misinformation floating around here its unreal.
1. Preston Smiths 305 was a big bore, small stroke engine based off a 350 block. A destroked 350 if you will. Definately NOT a production based 305 like some claim. So don't call it a 305 in reference to the small bore engines built by Chevy.
2. Whoever said LS1 blocks split in half around 500HP is a complete moron. Look around idiot!
3. Evan Smith, you know, the guy from MM&FF who gets rediculous ETs out of late model Fords? He used to work for GMHTP, and got a G92 LB9 5 speed 305 to run high 14s, absolutely untouched. A few very minor mods netted him mid 14s. This is on par with what he achieved with stock (non GT40) 5.0Ls
4. We already established that 305 302 eaters post on the LT1 kill was complete BS. It was likely a 6 cylinder car, or an 8 cylinder car running on 6 cylinders.
Finally to anyone that argues the point of the 305 being on par with a 302... Take a look a Fun Ford event anywhere around the Mid-Atlantic area. You'll find a home-built on a budget, 306" 101mm turbo Ford Mustang running in the high 7s, on a 10.5 tire on a stock style suspension. Can ANY 305 do that?
1. Preston Smiths 305 was a big bore, small stroke engine based off a 350 block. A destroked 350 if you will. Definately NOT a production based 305 like some claim. So don't call it a 305 in reference to the small bore engines built by Chevy.
2. Whoever said LS1 blocks split in half around 500HP is a complete moron. Look around idiot!
3. Evan Smith, you know, the guy from MM&FF who gets rediculous ETs out of late model Fords? He used to work for GMHTP, and got a G92 LB9 5 speed 305 to run high 14s, absolutely untouched. A few very minor mods netted him mid 14s. This is on par with what he achieved with stock (non GT40) 5.0Ls
4. We already established that 305 302 eaters post on the LT1 kill was complete BS. It was likely a 6 cylinder car, or an 8 cylinder car running on 6 cylinders.
Finally to anyone that argues the point of the 305 being on par with a 302... Take a look a Fun Ford event anywhere around the Mid-Atlantic area. You'll find a home-built on a budget, 306" 101mm turbo Ford Mustang running in the high 7s, on a 10.5 tire on a stock style suspension. Can ANY 305 do that?
02-17-2007, 03:18 PM
#103
Teching In
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Northwest
Posts: 42
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
How does a home built 302 turbo decide the worthiness of a 305 ci stock block?
Of course the 302 is a better performance motor, just look at the specs. Two motors built for two different purposes. An already forged internal motor vs a smogger economy v8?
No one here said they were fans of a 305, let alone does anyone here plan on building one up. As I said, bolt ons help when on a budget, but when it comes to "building" a motor, a 350 is the idiot proof motor.
Of course the 302 is a better performance motor, just look at the specs. Two motors built for two different purposes. An already forged internal motor vs a smogger economy v8?
No one here said they were fans of a 305, let alone does anyone here plan on building one up. As I said, bolt ons help when on a budget, but when it comes to "building" a motor, a 350 is the idiot proof motor.
02-17-2007, 03:32 PM
#104
Staging Lane
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Port orchard WA
Posts: 75
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by mrpopo573
How does a home built 302 turbo decide the worthiness of a 305 ci stock block?
Of course the 302 is a better performance motor, just look at the specs. Two motors built for two different purposes. An already forged internal motor vs a smogger economy v8?
No one here said they were fans of a 305, let alone does anyone here plan on building one up. As I said, bolt ons help when on a budget, but when it comes to "building" a motor, a 350 is the idiot proof motor.
Of course the 302 is a better performance motor, just look at the specs. Two motors built for two different purposes. An already forged internal motor vs a smogger economy v8?
No one here said they were fans of a 305, let alone does anyone here plan on building one up. As I said, bolt ons help when on a budget, but when it comes to "building" a motor, a 350 is the idiot proof motor.
Well said ****...
02-17-2007, 04:48 PM
#107
Teching In
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NYC
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by mrpopo573
Of course the 302 is a better performance motor, just look at the specs. Two motors built for two different purposes. An already forged internal motor vs a smogger economy v8?
Everyone here knows what the deal is with these engines; I think its just better off unsaid.
02-17-2007, 05:04 PM
#109
On The Tree
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Old Bridge "Raceway Park" N.J.
Posts: 191
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Marc...
WOW... There is so much misinformation floating around here its unreal.
Originally Posted by Super Chevy
Rather than bust down the original, Preston bolted together a 1990-vintage 305 with splayed four-bolt mains while he continued to drive the IROC. The improved block was fitted with a forged crank, J.E. .030-inch-over hypereutectic pistons (with the tops ceramic-coated by Swain). Mechart stainless steel boxed rods and a Lingenfelter 272 hydraulic roller cam....
02-17-2007, 05:22 PM
#110
***Repost Police***
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 2,480
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
WOW... There is so much misinformation floating around here its unreal.
1. Preston Smiths 305 was a big bore, small stroke engine based off a 350 block. A destroked 350 if you will. Definately NOT a production based 305 like some claim. So don't call it a 305 in reference to the small bore engines built by Chevy.
2. Whoever said LS1 blocks split in half around 500HP is a complete moron. Look around idiot!
3. Evan Smith, you know, the guy from MM&FF who gets rediculous ETs out of late model Fords? He used to work for GMHTP, and got a G92 LB9 5 speed 305 to run high 14s, absolutely untouched. A few very minor mods netted him mid 14s. This is on par with what he achieved with stock (non GT40) 5.0Ls
4. We already established that 305 302 eaters post on the LT1 kill was complete BS. It was likely a 6 cylinder car, or an 8 cylinder car running on 6 cylinders.
Finally to anyone that argues the point of the 305 being on par with a 302... Take a look a Fun Ford event anywhere around the Mid-Atlantic area. You'll find a home-built on a budget, 306" 101mm turbo Ford Mustang running in the high 7s, on a 10.5 tire on a stock style suspension. Can ANY 305 do that?
1. Preston Smiths 305 was a big bore, small stroke engine based off a 350 block. A destroked 350 if you will. Definately NOT a production based 305 like some claim. So don't call it a 305 in reference to the small bore engines built by Chevy.
2. Whoever said LS1 blocks split in half around 500HP is a complete moron. Look around idiot!
3. Evan Smith, you know, the guy from MM&FF who gets rediculous ETs out of late model Fords? He used to work for GMHTP, and got a G92 LB9 5 speed 305 to run high 14s, absolutely untouched. A few very minor mods netted him mid 14s. This is on par with what he achieved with stock (non GT40) 5.0Ls
4. We already established that 305 302 eaters post on the LT1 kill was complete BS. It was likely a 6 cylinder car, or an 8 cylinder car running on 6 cylinders.
Finally to anyone that argues the point of the 305 being on par with a 302... Take a look a Fun Ford event anywhere around the Mid-Atlantic area. You'll find a home-built on a budget, 306" 101mm turbo Ford Mustang running in the high 7s, on a 10.5 tire on a stock style suspension. Can ANY 305 do that?
02-17-2007, 06:19 PM
#115
On The Tree
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Old Bridge "Raceway Park" N.J.
Posts: 191
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by slick1851
305= V6 power with the V8 sound lol
Also, isn't it amazing, in general, how some people will honestly accept a Mitsubishi 4g63 engine, an engine less than half the size of the LG4/L69/LB9 (305) engine family, as an engine capable of such fascinating ability, at the very same time, shy away from a boosted engine more than double it's cubic inch displacement (the 305)? Hmm...
02-17-2007, 06:33 PM
#116
Teching In
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Northwest
Posts: 42
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Opinions vary, and it still doesn't change the fact that Preston's 305 ran those numbers....
Also, isn't it amazing, in general, how some people will honestly accept a Mitsubishi 4g63 engine, an engine less than half the size of the LG4/L69/LB9 (305) engine family, as an engine capable of such fascinating ability, at the very same time, shy away from a boosted engine more than double it's cubic inch displacement (the 305)? Hmm...
Also, isn't it amazing, in general, how some people will honestly accept a Mitsubishi 4g63 engine, an engine less than half the size of the LG4/L69/LB9 (305) engine family, as an engine capable of such fascinating ability, at the very same time, shy away from a boosted engine more than double it's cubic inch displacement (the 305)? Hmm...
02-17-2007, 08:46 PM
#119
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 1,607
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by kennyxg
And ls1 stock block splits at 500 thats never been a secret!
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...=658109&page=1
"Oh man, I have no idea lol. 2 years, probably 70 dyno pulls (about 30 on spray). For about a year and a half I went through at least 2 bottles per weekend."
from personal experince ive seen ford 302's spilt down the lifter valley around 400rwhp ,this doesnt mean they cant handle more, but comparing an engine thats years ahead like the lsx to an old 80's small block is a bit stupid
i have nothing against ford 302's ive drove one for a while it makes an excellent platform and the amount of aftermarket support for that year nearly triples anything GM has
I seem to think.