Finite1

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Everyone who has driven one seems to say that. Most enthusiasts suggest an 03/04 over the gt500. it's not comparable to the corvette.

why they didn't build it to compete with the vette, no idea.

the scary thing about supras is a lot of just insane times have been done on stock blocks, stock drivetrains, stock this, stock that. I've seen some rediculous ones on street racing videos and on the internet. and its scary. The kind of car you'd need to compete with somthing like that in the straights must be insane.

dailydriver

Why do you think the Nippon Giant only produced 9000, to keep the value/resale/rarity high??!?
Yessir, they are in the business of making low volume "overbuilt" cars that they lose money on, from each sale?? Yup, that must be it, that goes right along with their "business model" for success.
Wow, all 9K of them just flew out the doors soooo quick, and being the geniuses they are, the decision was made to just stop production so that it would become a rare "supercar", right?

Street Lethal

Yet again from previous discussions with you, my point was well missed. You CANNOT account for every single Supra being sold, despite your attempt to justify it with the above, and despite the fact that you were on "Supra Forums" even before the Fast and the Furious came out. Like I said, the majority DID NOT CARE FOR IT, UNTIL THE FILM....!

Now your starting to get a 'glimpse' of my point. Correct, NOT EVERYONE DID. NOR WOULD THEY, HAD THE FILM NOT GLORIFIED IT THE WAY THAT IT DID. That is the real reason why it's tag is still what it is, not because of such underground Supra Forums. Give me a break....

Didn't post it for it's greatness, posted it to embellish the "capabilities" of a bone stock Supra TT. It edged out an L98 Camaro, bravo. My stock ten speed, with the drummer from Slayer peddling, could have faired much better though....

I disagree. Any "blown" engine can run the numbers, that is, for those who know what they are doing. Have you ever seen a seriously blown LT5 on the dyno? Then make it's way down the track? I have....

dailydriver

Absolutely agree on the "better looking" part!

FEARSM

First of all, I wasnt talking about the movie you posted. I was talking about the FnF movie. It was 6 years ago, it has no bearing on Supra prices NOW.
If the stock performance isnt great then neither is the stock preformance of the LS1 engine cars because they are the same. Also, was the blown LT5 stock with all stock internals like it came from the factory?
Again, FnF did not make Supra prices GO UP. They have stayed the same all this time. The movie might have made the Supra known to a broader audience at the time but that was 6 yrs ago.

dailydriver

Oh boy, here we go with the importfanboy "telephone game". By factory "short block" do you mean the stock block with aftermarket internals, or stock block & internals?? If the latter, I call , unless I had eyewitness proof myself. Next you'll be telling me it held this peak, ALL stock 200K mile bottom end, for over an hour on 92 octane pump gas, right?

Just because TOYota built it, does not mean it is "God's gift" to autodom and completely infallible/invincable. Although it's limits are fairly high, every mechanical thing has them, lets not get carried away with Nippon worship.

FEARSM

Stock block record is currently 1001 rwhp. Stock long block with stock internals. It was done on race gas. Worship has nothing to do with it, just the facts.

bboyferal

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^ Okay, that's not 1,500 rwhp.

By the way, ~1000 rwhp is possible not just with Toyota factory longblocks but MANY factory longblocks that are boosted from the factory, import AND domestic.

Many Cobra owners have gone over 900 rwhp with single or twin turbos on the completely untouched longblock, just a good fuel system.

FEARSM

Uh..I wasnt the one that said it was. Just correcting that misinformation.

bboyferal

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And I'm just using your post to emphasize... No big deal, we're both civilized, right?

Street Lethal

Then I will extend an apology, I misunderstood...

No arguement there.

Entirely stock. The owner was the original owner of a Blk/Blk '95, and wanted to go the turbo route. Incidently, they were able to squeeze a great deal more power out of the engine just from altering the stock tables...

Just wanted to make something clear who might misunderstand my argument. I'm not putting the Supra down. I know what they run, and am well aware of it's potential. But the same can be said about any car, when built right...

FYI, just wanted to touch on something, regarding another comparison between the ZR1 and Supra-TT. This time from Motor Trend;

Corvette ZR1;

Factory Net-HP Rating;

LT5 = 405 HP

MKIV = 320 HP

Motor Trend RWHP Rating (as tested);

LT5 = 395 @ 6000-RPM

MKIV = 320 @ 6000-RPM

Top Speed Performance

LT5 = 181-mph

MKIV = 159-mph

Acceleration 0-60

LT5 = 5.2 (gimme a break)

MKIV = 4.9

Acceleration 1/4

LT5 = 13.6 @ 106-mph (gimme a break)

MKIV = 13.4 @ 106.7

-Motor Trend August, '93


Now, as far as I'm concerned, that is a ridiculously flawed comparison. Obviously driver related, but despite that fact, it is here where the vehicle make pricing becomes established for the everday buyer. The Fast and the Furious just capitalized on the nonsense, in which continues up until today. Any engine can be built to run. Hell, the stock 60 degree V6 in my '92 came with FORGED internals....

dailydriver

OK, that's more like what I've heard. But THAT was the post (the misinformed, 1500rwhp one) I was replying to, and implying the "telephone game".

bboyferal

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LT5 trapping only 106?




I guess I could beat one when my own car was stock!!!

04Terminator

So on the East coast a GT500 is faster than an LS1 Fbod or 03/04 Terminator, but on the West coast the LS1s and Terminators are FASTER than the GT500.

Ok. Whatever. Ignorance = Bliss. Done here. Can't argue that kind of logic.

FEARSM

Ahh..there is the CRUX of my argument. You say any engine can be BUILT that way. Of course that is true. The Supra is that way from the showroom floor. You dont have to build it. 100% stock block that can handle 900+rwhp without cracking the block open. Getrag 6 spd that has handled 1400+rwhp and speeds over 160 mph STOCK. Rear end that has handled 1.2 and 1.3 60 fts and over 1000 ft lbs of tq STOCK.

Its not perfect, not at all. But it has alot more things going for it stock than alot of cars out there.

Juiced

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Actually if you knew anything about engineering and racing you would know why most Japanese "super car" factory motors are so over engineered.

For Japanese Cars to race in the JGTC (Japanese Grand Touring Car Championship) the motor has to be Hemoligated and no Internal parts may be modified, that means the motor is setup to run at 500+rwhp for the length of the endurance race. same reason Honda looses money on each $100K NSX they sell. Do you really think a NSX motor need Ti rods (since '92) titanuim valves and other exotic components for street use? NO.... they need it to win races on the track.

It's not unheard of for company's to lose money on a car to get it into a specific racing series.....

BTW the 2jzgte motor was designed by Germans

Juiced

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It's all about track prep and DA.... Never been to a track on the west coast with less than 2400DA, that has a huge effect on cars.....

And yes Terminators with the same mods are running faster times than the GT500's around here.

FEARSM

The Getrag 6 spd is German designed. The 2JZ is based of the 1JZ an engine used exclusively in JDM cars.

dailydriver

Yes, it definitely was "overbuilt", which ties in with my previous statements that Toyota lost money on every one (even when they were charging $50K for them). Yes, I also know (sadly enough) that they could well afford this, BUT they still do not like to lose cash, as a business model, EVEN on a "flagship".

But since you brought up "off the showroom floor", again I will ask, what Nippon nameplate car will run with even a stock C6, let alone a stock Z06 C6, completely, totally BONE freakin stock, NO mods, boost controllers, etc. right off of the "showroom floor"?? PRODUCTION CARS only, no one off Nippon "specials".

Juiced

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The motor was actually outsourced to German Company, I have it in one of Engine theory books, when i get home i'll scan it.