dailydriver

First of all, believe me, I've forgotten more about racing and rallying than you'll ever know, so don't give me your "Engineering 101" BS!
Second, if you are going to explain something and sound so superior about it, at least get the spelling right. It's homologated, NOT what you said. And I knew all about this stuff from rallying BEFORE you were even born!!!!

Also, that's great about your precious NSX, but GM did the same thing with the C6 Z06, and not necessarily for any specific racing series, for $65K AND better performance. Do they lose on every one? Probably, but I'm just glad they built it to shut up all of the importfanboyzz!!

Street Lethal

Yes, the Supra was that way from the showroom floor (I'm assuming you mean forged internals, and not 1000HP ready with the stock engine setup), but so were many Domestics that are relatively unheard of due to their lack of exposure....

I'm not going to get into Japans "window of opportunity", but believe me when I tell you that GM designed cars throughout the 90's that should have been produced, yet strangely weren't (and to be honest, weren't really needed). Ryan Falconer's early 90's V12 Corvette concept, which GM seriously contemplated, comes to mind....

Anyways, just like in every hobby, "something" provokes the demand. Steve McQueen's Mustang, Burt Reynolds' Trans Am, and Paul Walker's Supra-TT.... all play their part.

Juiced

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I'm sorry about the spelling mistake.... my bad

I'm Actually WAY beyond Engineering 101.....

Did you know that the c6 Z06 share nothing in common with the C6r? the Block used in the C6r is worth 20k alone....

Besides i highly doubt you've forgotten more than i know

i don't know why you have to keep using the importfanboyzz comment? Because someone appreciates a work or art (engineering wise) does that make them a fanboy?

I look a the genIII SBC in the same way as the 2JZ, and the new rotary valve motors being brought to the publics attention.

I guess your old age you might have forgotten how to appreciaterace bred motors in street car, and how lucky we are that the govt still allows us to have them....

dailydriver

Sorry about claiming more knowledge than you, you're probably right about doubting that. It's just you were starting to sound like a fanboy who just got into school, again, sorry.

Yes, I DO know very little is shared between the road going Z06 & ALMS C6R, but the street one still has titanium rods/valvetrain parts and sodium filled exhaust valves, as well as carbon fiber/kevlar, and magnesium unibody/suspension pieces. Nice "low tech" for a street car, huh?

I also feel that IF they let the C6R (or a prepped for the rules C6 Z06, if the C6R was beyond their rules) into your JGTCC, it would kick azz over there as well.

Juiced

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No doubt the LS7 is a great STREET Engine but by no means a race car engine.

I'm not doubting that that the Corvettes would do well, if there was more of a market for them in japan i could see GM putting in an effort, Prat & Miller run an Amazing team. I know Dodge was running in the JGTC a few years ago don't know if they still are ( i don't really follow it, i'm more into Toyota Atlantic, Champ Car, and formula 1, and ALMS)

So any ways when i post i'm posting as an engineer and not a fanboy.....

Finite1

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seriously, what were the production numbers of the 06' c6? i swear it was only a little over 3,000 z06's produced.

Most japanese companies are too busy selling their regular mass produced models.

while chevy fails to sell their basic cars, toyota sells hundreds of thousands of camry's. So they might not have a super car, but they actually sell their cars and profit.

Juiced

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The Z06 was never ment to be a mass produced car....

The Big 3:Market share in 1/2ton and larger trucks
Euros: have the Luxury market Cornered
Japanese: Profitable "blue collar market"

For the same money Toyota can offer a better car because of lower production cost (watch that to change in 10 years)

Just like a M6 BMW will be a lot nicer than a XLR-V (same pricepoint but what would you rather drive)

This all falls comes down to management/legacy cost that drive up the cost of production for similar market share cars but that is another story all together.

Finite1

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True, but going by the same argument... think of this as a business. they aren't building cars cause of street racers realistically. They are trying to be a successful business.

how much does chevy lose on each z06 they sell? honestly?

Juiced

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In all honesty they more than likely still have a huge profit, it share everything with the C6 other than a few body panels and the motor...

Everything is mass produced just like the c6 only change is the ls7 is hand built.

Retail for c6 $50,000 i'm guessing the profit is 15-20k
retail for Z06 $70,000.... profit somewhere in the 10-15k

FEARSM

Damn, you ARE GOOD. I didnt even know that. I knew it was based of the 1JZ design and 2JZGE. Apperently they refined the 2JZGTE but did not design it from the ground up.


The 2JZ-GTE was outsourced to German firm Johann A. Krause Machinefabrik GmbH to refine and make suitable for use in the Japanese Grand Touring Car Championship "JGTC" witch required the motor to be homologated in a production car. The Engine was to power the fourth generation of the Supra sports car. It was based on the 2JZ-GE, but differed in its use of sequential twin turbochargers and the use of an intercooler.The 2JZ-GTE was one of the few Japanese 3-liter sports car engines on both the Japanese domestic and export markets during the '90s, sharing the title with Nissan's VG30DETT V6 and Mitsubishi's 6G72 V6.

houtex

This thread turn ghey.


My Rustang when finished will drop more panties than any supra and drag that *** on the highway.

bboyferal

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^ I was reading some amazing insight into some badass motors, and this is what you contribute to the flow?

SStheBest

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Bandit LS1

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I've been surpised by supra's with a little bit of work.....I raced one when I was in VA Beach, he held pretty even with me till we hit traffic and I let off and he kept bobbin and weaving in and out of traffic at 100+ mph.......I freakin hate drivers like that, their the reason people die while street racing!

04Terminator

Track Prep and Density Altitude is better in CA than anywhere else? Once again you argue with ignorance. Most of the NHRA records were set on the East coast. Reading PA, ProStock set all new records in Dinwiddie last October...I was there. The only exception being Pomona CA that has 2 E.T. records.

PLEASE retort with something that resembles educated sense this time. A GT500 is faster stock vs. stock on any given day given the same conditions than a stock LS1 Fbod or stock Terminator. I don't care what "feel" by the seat of your pants. Same day, same place, same conditions the GT500 will be faster.

And one more time; FI (forced induction) cars are LESS affected by DA than NA (normally aspirated) engines.

Consider yourself edumacated.

Juiced

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re-read what i wrote please........

I'VE NEVER BEEN TO A TRACK OUT HERE WITH LESS THAN 2400 DA.

CALIFORNIA= 2400+
ATCO/E-TOWN= -1000 or however insanely low it gets.

04Terminator

I think YOU should re-read All your posts and take things you've said in context. Saying that a stock Terminator or LS1 Fbod is faster than a GT500 in CA due to track prep and DA?

Dude you seem to think you know it all and have this holier-than-thou attitude, but that makes no sense at all. Have you ever even been to the East Coast? Attended a drag race? Researched DA and how engines react to various air denseties, humidity and temperature?

It's ok to admit you have no idea.

dailydriver

Dry sump, titanium valvetrain parts and rods, sodium filled exhaust valves, hand built, reciprocating assembly parts matched/balanced/blueprinted?
Sounds an awful lot like a "race" engine to me. At least as much as your NSX/2JZGTE is from the factory. You can put it down all you want, but it STILL kicks the azz of ANY Nippon factory effort, stock for stock, WITH a 5 year 100K mile warranty, I might add. Yes, I know MKIV worshippers HATE to talk stock to stock, but what if someone wants to leave it that way and turn 10 second 1/4 miles under that warranty. Could you have done that with your "invincable" Supras??!!

04Terminator

Lexus...Toyota, Acura...Honda, Infinty...Nissan. News flash: The Japanese are gaining at a steady rate in the luxury market. Euros (read Germans) don't have the market cornered.

dailydriver

I guess due to your youth you have never known a time when we would not even be having this conversation/arguement. Yes, believe it or not there was a time when there were none to few imports at all, let alone "performance" rice. A time when there were PLENTY of jobs to go around, and the sheeple were not brainwashed into believing that ONLY Japan, or their nameplates, could provide them with good, reliable rides. Back when we were a first world/first rate country. Back when we did not deify pimps, "Gs", krack rappers, spoiled "ballers", etc. Oh well, yes, your right things must change, even if it is for the worse (for us). But yes, right again, that is a topic for another 100 page thread.

I do remember "race bred" motors in street cars, and have witnessed them first hand when they were new, LONG before you (and your import ing bretheren) were even swimming around in your collective daddies' ********!
Yup, L-88s, LS6/7s, ZL-1s, original LT-1s, Z28 302s, etc., etc.

BTW; YES, I DO acknowledge the engineering prowess, speed/power/performance potential, etc., etc. of the various Nippon marques, but I do not have to "respect" or even "like" them (even to be considered an "enthusiast"). I just prefer to own/spend my hard earned cash right HERE where I live on domestic nameplated rides/COMPANIES !!

Now please, all of you come back and put me down for this. As we speak I'm getting into my Impact SFI 5 suit. FLAME THE F*** ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!