97 Formula vs M5 GT in CT
97 Formula vs M5 GT in CT Got to do some nice roll races with a Mustang GT last night in Connecticut. My car is auto, nearly stock. His was a stick, don't know what he had done, at least catback for sure. He had a passenger and I was solo, slight weight advantage for me. We were on a busy strip at first, not much room to run. First time I pulled pretty good. At one point a Civic got in front of me and raced him from a few lights, he walked the Honduh easily. I also watched him go from a roll against a C5 Z06, but that was too stout for him. Finally the Civic turned off and I pulled up alongside. We did several rolls from about 60 mph, and all of them were pretty close. It seemed like he could pull a little at first as he was banging through the gears, but as the speeds climbed (I think we were letting off around 120-ish) I was able to pull a little bit. This isn't the first time I have raced a car that was dead even until around 100 and then I start to pull, it's like my car finds a little something extra up around triple digit speeds. Which is surprising because LT1s aren't known for their top end. Maybe it's aerodynamics starting to work to my advantage. Bottom line, no clear winner, but it was fun as hell doing some really fast races against an evenly matched car. I was hoping to talk to him after to see what he had done, but after our last race we got stuck behind some traffic on the highway, he went around and kept going.
Originally Posted by ScreaminRedZ
Good runs!
Hey I'm the guy you were talking to a couple of weeks ago at Burger King. I have the Red Z28 with the electric cutout.
What year was the GT? I'm guessing 1999-2004.
Hey I'm the guy you were talking to a couple of weeks ago at Burger King. I have the Red Z28 with the electric cutout.
What year was the GT? I'm guessing 1999-2004.
I saw a nice red Z28 in Hartford on my way home. It was a 2000 and had some mean sounding true duals. Stuck out like a sore thumb with all the rice around.
It's Ron. Aaron is my friend. You talked to him first. Were you up there last night? I was gonna go, but I got caught up in some family stuff. Next weekend for sure.
From my experiences, the 99-04 GT's are about even with a stock LT1. Once you start modding them both, the LT1 seems to take the lead for the most part.
From my experiences, the 99-04 GT's are about even with a stock LT1. Once you start modding them both, the LT1 seems to take the lead for the most part.
stock vs stock its kind of a fun race. When I just had headers cai and tune (ran 12.9@105 with those) I raced several of those stangs. Stock ones were blown away and bolt-on ones got walked a bit.
Screamin is right, as the cars are modded the LT1 pulls away fairly quickly.
Screamin is right, as the cars are modded the LT1 pulls away fairly quickly.
Originally Posted by ScreaminRedZ
It's Ron. Aaron is my friend. You talked to him first. Were you up there last night? I was gonna go, but I got caught up in some family stuff. Next weekend for sure.
From my experiences, the 99-04 GT's are about even with a stock LT1. Once you start modding them both, the LT1 seems to take the lead for the most part.
From my experiences, the 99-04 GT's are about even with a stock LT1. Once you start modding them both, the LT1 seems to take the lead for the most part.
This guy's car was definitely not bone stock, it was much louder than a stock GT, so at least catback or cutout, maybe headers too. I know my car wouldn't have any trouble with a stock GT, they are only rated at 260 hp, I should be right around 300 hp at the flywheel. With some bolt ons they are a good race for an LT1.
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From my experiences, the 99-04 GT's are about even with a stock LT1. Once you start modding them both, the LT1 seems to take the lead for the most part.
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From: Weezieanna
bone stock, down to the air filter, I ran 14.049 @ 98 mph. With 4.10's, susp mods, x pipe, catback, tune, and MT DR's I went 13.176 @ 101mph. These cars are def made for the drag strip, not roll races. Mine tops out @ 111 mph in 4th gear, and 5th is useless. I can hang with many cars until 110, but then get walked. I have all of my intake to rework, along with heads, cams and a 125 shot going i in September. I'll post new numbers then
Originally Posted by PewterScreaminMach
Nice races! We should set something up with a bone stock LT1 Formula Vert that I know of somewhere around here.... 
I ran an 03 GT in my 1995 Formula, and we started at 30 which is about 3 grand in 2nd for me and he was in first at like 4 grand, we have the exact same mods, gears, longtubes, catback, cai...and giving him the adantage from me being to low in a gear and him perfect in his i still pulled him 3 cars to 110 and was still pulling HARD
Whoops, by Formula I meant Trans Am (I'm used to saying Formula because I have an 88 Formula...). It's a 96 Auto, 100% stock, so you would give him a whoopin', especially since he has 2.73 gears. It would still be fun, though. Maybe someday we can set it up, but it probably won't be for a while since he is really busy most of the time.
"it will be like Manny Ramirez going to a triple-A ballgame."
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"it will be like Manny Ramirez going to a triple-A ballgame."
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Originally Posted by burnzilla
From my experiences, the 99-04 GT's are definitely .3-.7's slower then stock LT1's.
Originally Posted by Irunelevens
I've seen several run 13.8-13.9,
Low to mid 14's is what I have seen personally.
And the reason mod for mod the LT1 runs circles around it is because LT1's are choked out, from intake , exhaust manifold and stock catback.
You can go back and forth with this with anyone, I have drove both cars and I know what happens when they race stock for stock.
The LT1 has the edge, and an M6 LT1 is a win everytime pending driver mod.
LT1's stock are faster then 2V GT's.. they always have been, they always will.
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Originally Posted by burnzilla
Coming right from SVT Performance, most admit a high 13 is unheard of. Its the best time you can get with a 2V.
Low to mid 14's is what I have seen personally.
And the reason mod for mod the LT1 runs circles around it is because LT1's are choked out, from intake , exhaust manifold and stock catback.
You can go back and forth with this with anyone, I have drove both cars and I know what happens when they race stock for stock.
The LT1 has the edge, and an M6 LT1 is a win everytime pending driver mod.
LT1's stock are faster then 2V GT's.. they always have been, they always will.
Low to mid 14's is what I have seen personally.
And the reason mod for mod the LT1 runs circles around it is because LT1's are choked out, from intake , exhaust manifold and stock catback.
You can go back and forth with this with anyone, I have drove both cars and I know what happens when they race stock for stock.
The LT1 has the edge, and an M6 LT1 is a win everytime pending driver mod.
LT1's stock are faster then 2V GT's.. they always have been, they always will.
I'm pretty confident that my car could eat alive as many bone stock GTs as you could throw at it, except '05 or newer. One with some good bolt ons is a better match for me. There might be some factory freaks out there that have run high thirteens, but you are talking about a car rated at 260 hp. LT1 f-bodies are 275-285, and get huge gains (15-20 hp) from just an intake.
Your dyno numbers look pretty good for those mods, do you know what it runs at the track?
Originally Posted by Irunelevens
That is your opinion. And you are welcome to it. I also "drove both cars," and I know how my current car feels compared to the LT1 that was for all intents and purposes my first car ('94 Vette).