01' Ls1 TA vs. 06' Nismo 350z
08-06-2007, 03:08 PM
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^ True. But I suspect thats also because the peope slapping on turbo kits are not exactly using the car to get groceries. they probably run the crap out of it, get detonation, blow it up, and swap in the forged shortblock they had waiting 
. Nissan could make a shortblock capable of 500WHP without any trouble. It would not require forged pistons. Probably just a bit less compression, tough rods, and thicker ring lands and deck on the pistons.
Which is why I just dont get why it has not been done. Maybe because the Skyline is running a turbo VQ? Who knows.
. Nissan could make a shortblock capable of 500WHP without any trouble. It would not require forged pistons. Probably just a bit less compression, tough rods, and thicker ring lands and deck on the pistons.Which is why I just dont get why it has not been done. Maybe because the Skyline is running a turbo VQ? Who knows.
08-06-2007, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DVan8504
500rwhp on a stock block? not many guys running that for very long.
08-06-2007, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Sparetire
^ True. But I suspect thats also because the peope slapping on turbo kits are not exactly using the car to get groceries. they probably run the crap out of it, get detonation, blow it up, and swap in the forged shortblock they had waiting . Nissan could make a shortblock capable of 500WHP without any trouble. It would not require forged pistons. Probably just a bit less compression, tough rods, and thicker ring lands and deck on the pistons.
Which is why I just dont get why it has not been done. Maybe because the Skyline is running a turbo VQ? Who knows.
. Nissan could make a shortblock capable of 500WHP without any trouble. It would not require forged pistons. Probably just a bit less compression, tough rods, and thicker ring lands and deck on the pistons.Which is why I just dont get why it has not been done. Maybe because the Skyline is running a turbo VQ? Who knows.
Originally Posted by bboyferal
Just about as long as the same power level on a boosted LS1 stock block... Not bad if you ask me.
08-06-2007, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sparetire
IMHO the 350Z only makes sense when it is turboed. It's got a overbuilt driveline, a tough chassis, capacity for big tires, and iron block, fairly low compression, etc.
All features that are great for a turbo 3.5L and not really needed or even harmful for a NA 3.5L.
They can handle something like 500WHP on the stock long block.
I have no idea why they offered these limited edition Nismo versions for like high 30s and never did a TT version. It would help to sell the basic trim levels as well as be profitable on its own. Nismo could build a warrantied 400HP turbo 350Z or 370Z at the drop of a hat, and charge 40K plus for it. The cars hype would guarantee buyers.
All features that are great for a turbo 3.5L and not really needed or even harmful for a NA 3.5L.
They can handle something like 500WHP on the stock long block.
I have no idea why they offered these limited edition Nismo versions for like high 30s and never did a TT version. It would help to sell the basic trim levels as well as be profitable on its own. Nismo could build a warrantied 400HP turbo 350Z or 370Z at the drop of a hat, and charge 40K plus for it. The cars hype would guarantee buyers.
08-06-2007, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DVan8504
Not sure about the ls1 and boost, no expert there, but I am familiar with several FI Z applications, and not many even risk 500rwhp on a stock block because they don't want to blow the engine.
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Originally Posted by Sparetire
Maybe because the Skyline is running a turbo VQ? Who knows.
08-06-2007, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 93transam
That's what I was thinking too. The new Skyline is supposed to retail for 60 K or so here accorrding to C/D so I guess Nissan doesn't want the Z to step on Skylines toes.
08-06-2007, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gsrhunter
That kinda sucks..... so basically the people in the world who can't afford a 60k car are screwed!!!
08-06-2007, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 93transam
There's always the aftermarket
08-06-2007, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by gsrhunter
Yes but no warranty. I can afford to go get a c6 zo6 right now. Get a cheap tt kit built and call it a day. The reason I want to wait till I have the money to send it to lingenfelter is because of the warranty.
08-06-2007, 09:49 PM
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Yeah. And I do think the 300ZX lesson is still being felt by Nissan, where they cost like 40K back when 40K was like 60K in todays dollars. The thing is, they dont realize just how different the image of Nissan and Infiniti is in the minds of those who can actually put some cash down now as compared to the mid and late 90s. I'll bet their marketing staff (I have a Bachelors in marketing myself) is trying to explain that to a lot of gun-shy higher-ups right now. And since the new Skyline is apperantly around 60K with the punch to back it up, they are listening, kinda. I really think a 400BHP Z car for 40K would sell well. With the new 3.7 ( a much better engine) 400HP will be stupid easy. They are getting 330 NA on the 3.7 already. It would be a great flagship model for the Zs and I really dont think it would hurt Skyline sales much. The Skyline will be a different look, driveline, almost another 100HP more powerful, etc.
Oh well. For now we can hope the 370Z will be a better competitor to your basic bolt-on LS1. I suspect it will be pretty decent.
Oh well. For now we can hope the 370Z will be a better competitor to your basic bolt-on LS1. I suspect it will be pretty decent.
08-06-2007, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sparetire
Yeah. And I do think the 300ZX lesson is still being felt by Nissan, where they cost like 40K back when 40K was like 60K in todays dollars. The thing is, they dont realize just how different the image of Nissan and Infiniti is in the minds of those who can actually put some cash down now as compared to the mid and late 90s. I'll bet their marketing staff (I have a Bachelors in marketing myself) is trying to explain that to a lot of gun-shy higher-ups right now. And since the new Skyline is apperantly around 60K with the punch to back it up, they are listening, kinda. I really think a 400BHP Z car for 40K would sell well. With the new 3.7 ( a much better engine) 400HP will be stupid easy. They are getting 330 NA on the 3.7 already. It would be a great flagship model for the Zs and I really dont think it would hurt Skyline sales much. The Skyline will be a different look, driveline, almost another 100HP more powerful, etc.
Oh well. For now we can hope the 370Z will be a better competitor to your basic bolt-on LS1. I suspect it will be pretty decent.
Oh well. For now we can hope the 370Z will be a better competitor to your basic bolt-on LS1. I suspect it will be pretty decent.
If Porshe can make 415hp from there 3.6 it shouldnt be a problem to get 375hp. I agree, it would sell.
08-07-2007, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sparetire
Yeah. And I do think the 300ZX lesson is still being felt by Nissan, where they cost like 40K back when 40K was like 60K in todays dollars. The thing is, they dont realize just how different the image of Nissan and Infiniti is in the minds of those who can actually put some cash down now as compared to the mid and late 90s. I'll bet their marketing staff (I have a Bachelors in marketing myself) is trying to explain that to a lot of gun-shy higher-ups right now. And since the new Skyline is apperantly around 60K with the punch to back it up, they are listening, kinda. I really think a 400BHP Z car for 40K would sell well. With the new 3.7 ( a much better engine) 400HP will be stupid easy. They are getting 330 NA on the 3.7 already. It would be a great flagship model for the Zs and I really dont think it would hurt Skyline sales much. The Skyline will be a different look, driveline, almost another 100HP more powerful, etc.
Oh well. For now we can hope the 370Z will be a better competitor to your basic bolt-on LS1. I suspect it will be pretty decent.
Oh well. For now we can hope the 370Z will be a better competitor to your basic bolt-on LS1. I suspect it will be pretty decent.
08-07-2007, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DVan8504
I said the price thing like 10 posts ago and no one said anything, lol, good thing they listen to you.
Don't you hate that?
08-07-2007, 11:53 PM
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offtopic for a second: Holy crap! I haven't seen bboyferal post in a while
ontopic: porsche making 380 from 3.6 and 415 from 3.8 and maybe 450 all said in done in a bolton 3.8 = mad money to refine that engine for naturally aspirated duty.
sorta ontopic: I thought they were going to offer a "top dog" "EVO" variant for around 90K to pimp around the AM DB7 folks?
ontopic: porsche making 380 from 3.6 and 415 from 3.8 and maybe 450 all said in done in a bolton 3.8 = mad money to refine that engine for naturally aspirated duty.
sorta ontopic: I thought they were going to offer a "top dog" "EVO" variant for around 90K to pimp around the AM DB7 folks?
08-08-2007, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OKcruising
offtopic for a second: Holy crap! I haven't seen bboyferal post in a while
ontopic: porsche making 380 from 3.6 and 415 from 3.8 and maybe 450 all said in done in a bolton 3.8 = mad money to refine that engine for naturally aspirated duty.
sorta ontopic: I thought they were going to offer a "top dog" "EVO" variant for around 90K to pimp around the AM DB7 folks?
ontopic: porsche making 380 from 3.6 and 415 from 3.8 and maybe 450 all said in done in a bolton 3.8 = mad money to refine that engine for naturally aspirated duty.
sorta ontopic: I thought they were going to offer a "top dog" "EVO" variant for around 90K to pimp around the AM DB7 folks?
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