my ls1 camaro vs. 05 ford lighting
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^Haha you make me laugh with your desperation to make any Ford product look good. Lightnings are cool but no match for a LS1 car, it takes a pullied lightning to match a stock f-bod. Ive seen stock lightnings race stock ls1 f-bods and it is funny as hell especially from a roll, LS1>heavy trucks.
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depends on year and tranny...wikipedia claimed that the fastest stock f-bod (stock from filter to tips that is) broke 12s
there's a post on here somewhere that a guy in norcal ran 12.66 with nothing but a k&n...1.9xx 60'. no time slip tho
there's a post on here somewhere that a guy in norcal ran 12.66 with nothing but a k&n...1.9xx 60'. no time slip tho
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^Haha you make me laugh with your desperation to make any Ford product look good. Lightnings are cool but no match for a LS1 car, it takes a pullied lightning to match a stock f-bod. Ive seen stock lightnings race stock ls1 f-bods and it is funny as hell especially from a roll, LS1>heavy trucks.
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L's are mid 13's too, so to the guy who said they are no match for Ls1's is off a lil
Pretty close actually
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Thanks for calling me a good driver with a great launch
So it IS very close, and could lean to the L depending on drivers.
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In my opinion in a race between a stock Lightning and LS1 F-Bod if the Lightning gets a good launch it'll be a good race in a 1/8 type race. At 80+ though forget about it. The advantage the L has over most is FI from the factory. For not much money just a pulley swap, intake, exhaust, and tune and it's in another galaxy.
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In my opinion in a race between a stock Lightning and LS1 F-Bod if the Lightning gets a good launch it'll be a good race in a 1/8 type race. At 80+ though forget about it. The advantage the L has over most is FI from the factory. For not much money just a pulley swap, intake, exhaust, and tune and it's in another galaxy.
reason 1: aero...and ls1 car just HAS to be more aerodynamic than a pick up truck
reason 2: clutch vs. 'verter...a torque converter, if unlocked, is going to have parasitic drag. this is only going to be amplified at higher speeds and rmps when the converter is no longer multiplying the torque, only transfering it.
reason 3: heat soaking. an iron block and a water-to-air intercooler (2004) are going to heat soak much faster than an aluminum ls1, once again, the effects will be felt more during the later legs of a race after the engine has been operating at WOT for a while.
reason 4: i didn't mention this before because i haven't any idea how the ford's tranny is geared, but i'm pretty sure the 2004s came with 3.73s which i'm sure isn't going to help him launch or find tractoin while he's spinning, and, barring very tall 3rd and 4th gear ratios, require higher rpms to match the 3.42 geared f-body mph for mph...i'm not sure where those things redline, but it probably isnt much over 6K
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i'm not aware that i ever called you a good driver...but if i did i'm sure i meant it
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a totally stock f-body is capable of hitting 12's (obviously, if it has been done, it must be possible), i think it depends on how you your 60' is...anything over 2.0 and your just not gonna have the legs to run it back for 12 or better. ls1 f-bodys are a tad front heavy (54-46, f-b) so finding traction off the line is the hardest part, as most people will tell you. i think that's one of the biggest reasons you don't see a lot of ls1 cars in the 12s, any kind of spinning and you don't have a prayer.
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i'm not aware that i ever called you a good driver...but if i did i'm sure i meant it
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i'm not aware that i ever called you a good driver...but if i did i'm sure i meant it
I am not saying it is impossible, just very very unlikely to get in the 12's BONE STOCK.
Never the less, we could beat this around all day and night.
I still submit that a stock for stock race would be lots closer than you think.
ALL of the articles I have read have them in the 13's stock. But it makes me happy that we are even comparing GM's sports car to a TRUCK
Love the GM / FORD spats, keeps us all alive and kicking.
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I go to the track on friday nights pretty frequently. I have yet to see a bone stock LSx in an f-body in the 12's. Not saying that it is not possible, but considering the frequency that I go, never seen it. However, I have seen a stock LSx F-bod with Nitto dr's in the 12.7 area. I also have seen, this past Friday, a stock 03 Mach with dr's run a 12.77 with a 1.82 60ft. (Good Friend). Many of the lightnings are in the 13.3 to 13.7 stock range. Again 12's possible stock just never seen it.
Arguing about who's vehicle is faster stock for stock is about as retarded as arguing over who's girl looks better without make-up. You have to need to argue about who's girl looks better right before the big night out. After the 1st mod...who cares.I have seen a lexus hybrid in the low 13's with a baby seat in it. Your car is only as fast as your wallet is deep.
And not to be called a hater or basher, I have yet to see a car in a sig on here that I would not drive
Arguing about who's vehicle is faster stock for stock is about as retarded as arguing over who's girl looks better without make-up. You have to need to argue about who's girl looks better right before the big night out. After the 1st mod...who cares.I have seen a lexus hybrid in the low 13's with a baby seat in it. Your car is only as fast as your wallet is deep.
And not to be called a hater or basher, I have yet to see a car in a sig on here that I would not drive
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I'll race any AWD out of the hole and they will not kill me unless it's just a faster car!! I can do a few dry hops with my MT ET streets. I stall it up to about 2200 rpm and just launch the car. My 60ft @ the track is 1.74 on a 12.6 second pass and my car leaves just as hard on the street as it does at the track..