2000 cammed Z28 vs GT500 Cobra
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I don't see why its so hard to believe that a stock ls1 could make 630whp for a little while. Maybe I'm a newb but if you can make an ls1 see over 500whp why not over six? I say a good tune and the right head unit it could be done, but I'm just naturally a happy go lucky type of sombitch.
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pete's Z06 QUICKZ06 is making 750RWHP . . . but then again it's a fully built 346 with a nice little boost
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oddly enough i do feel alittle dumber for participating in this thread
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oh so glad im on your list,,, let me get my point across just for justification,
wait lets see here, a mach 1 has um,,, yeah twice as many valves as an ls1, and no pushrods, i bet that all 1.1 more cubes and ls1 has is the reason this engine is,,,
a, more reliable
b. more efficient
c. cheaper
okay have i gotten my point across yet??
wait lets see here, a mach 1 has um,,, yeah twice as many valves as an ls1, and no pushrods, i bet that all 1.1 more cubes and ls1 has is the reason this engine is,,,
a, more reliable
b. more efficient
c. cheaper
okay have i gotten my point across yet??
why would gm wanna build a 4.6l over head cam motor, thats just stupid, gm has stuck to being traditional in a sense when stickin to 16v pushrod motor, well it has worked for decades, and its kinda like, why fix whats not broken.
im not a complete idiot just extremely biased,
and the point about my ls1 car beating highly modded stangs, i dont understand what your reasoning is behind your judgment,
and the point about my ls1 car beating highly modded stangs, i dont understand what your reasoning is behind your judgment,
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although i did say that there is NO ford that is NA and stock that could beat mine, and well i had to eat my words cause i found out that i was wrong, it happens i learn from it,
i kinda forgot what we were arguin about again?
i kinda forgot what we were arguin about again?
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I don't see why its so hard to believe that a stock ls1 could make 630whp for a little while. Maybe I'm a newb but if you can make an ls1 see over 500whp why not over six? I say a good tune and the right head unit it could be done, but I'm just naturally a happy go lucky type of sombitch.
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I know the gt500 is not that good of a car stock, and yeah it is heavy, and not very aerodynamic. But as a drag car, it really is a beast once you open it up. They took a stock one and dynoed it, it dynoed something like 420 hp, and after ONLY a CAI, TB, Full exhaust, a pulley, and a tune it came out to something like 540 hp. In the next 5.0 and fast ford issue they took a BONE STOCK gt500, and added the new 3.4 liter Whipple to it, and on race gas and 16 psi it made over 700 hp, that's with NO MODS what so ever, just the supercharger. That supercharger is capable of 1200+ hp, and holding 30 psi continuous, imagine the gt500 with biggers heads/cams, and maybe a ported intake, running a solid 25 psi with full bolt-ons? 850+ easily, so don't hate on it. It's just like the 03-04 cobras, my friend has one with an x-pipe/catback, cai, ported blower, all idlers, running 21 psi, and a dyno tune and put down 515 hp, and 666 on the juice after the injectors and fuel pump of course. That 666 hp, is on completely stock motor too, heads, cam, intake, bottom end. Congrats on the kill.
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The power capability of the supercharged 5.4L is one thing. Just as the 4.6L, it can make huge numbers with minimal effort(unopened block). However, the GT500 is so heavy and the weight distribution is so poor for drag racing, the car suffers immensely overall.
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I was merely pointing out the obvious. He claimed no N/A Mustang could outrun his stock Camaro and that he hasn't been beaten by any N/A Mustang. I wasn't trying to compare anything, just making a point.
Exactly! The claim Tim made was that he actually saw an LS1 with ONLY a Procharger(@8psi boost) make 630rwhp. No other mods at all... That's just a silly lie or an ignorant comment from someone who has positively no clue what he's talking about. It seems clear to most of us, with no other modifications, that engine would blow up long before 630rwhp because it would have severe detonation well under 600rwhp.
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Exactly! The claim Tim made was that he actually saw an LS1 with ONLY a Procharger(@8psi boost) make 630rwhp. No other mods at all... That's just a silly lie or an ignorant comment from someone who has positively no clue what he's talking about. It seems clear to most of us, with no other modifications, that engine would blow up long before 630rwhp because it would have severe detonation well under 600rwhp.
Can't blame ya there!
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i want someone to hit me with a tack hammer cause i feel like a retard for joinin in on this thread
side note notice how nobody really much attention to my posts
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okay if you are reffering to the northstar, thats fine, i knew i said gm but on my behalf i was reffering to engines in the f body and corvette world, my mistake, gm does make that motor it just goes in the caddy's.
nothing to respond to my post but heck?
your post is confusing as well, what does heck mean? i read my post i guess its easier for me too understand since i wrote it but i can see where someone can get confused.
nothing to respond to my post but heck?
your post is confusing as well, what does heck mean? i read my post i guess its easier for me too understand since i wrote it but i can see where someone can get confused.
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oh so glad im on your list,,, let me get my point across just for justification,
wait lets see here, a mach 1 has um,,, yeah twice as many valves as an ls1, and no pushrods, i bet that all 1.1 more cubes and ls1 has is the reason this engine is,,,
a, more reliable
b. more efficient
c. cheaper
okay have i gotten my point across yet??
why would gm wanna build a 4.6l over head cam motor, thats just stupid, gm has stuck to being traditional in a sense when stickin to 16v pushrod motor, well it has worked for decades, and its kinda like, why fix whats not broken.
im not a complete idiot just extremely biased,
and the point about my ls1 car beating highly modded stangs, i dont understand what your reasoning is behind your judgment,
although i did say that there is NO ford that is NA and stock that could beat mine, and well i had to eat my words cause i found out that i was wrong, it happens i learn from it,
i kinda forgot what we were arguin about again?
wait lets see here, a mach 1 has um,,, yeah twice as many valves as an ls1, and no pushrods, i bet that all 1.1 more cubes and ls1 has is the reason this engine is,,,
a, more reliable
b. more efficient
c. cheaper
okay have i gotten my point across yet??
why would gm wanna build a 4.6l over head cam motor, thats just stupid, gm has stuck to being traditional in a sense when stickin to 16v pushrod motor, well it has worked for decades, and its kinda like, why fix whats not broken.
im not a complete idiot just extremely biased,
and the point about my ls1 car beating highly modded stangs, i dont understand what your reasoning is behind your judgment,
although i did say that there is NO ford that is NA and stock that could beat mine, and well i had to eat my words cause i found out that i was wrong, it happens i learn from it,
i kinda forgot what we were arguin about again?
Not really sure what we are argueing about lol. The point of my idioitic statement "when GM makes a 4.6L without having to resort to an extra 1.1Liters, ill give them credit" I was attempting to be sarcastic towards a previous post saying "when Ford builds something that wil run the number without having to resort to forced induction then ill give them credit"
Its equally stupid to cry about bigger displacement as it is to bitch about having a supercharger. That was my point.
Its ok to be bias BTW. Just dont be ignorant. I used to hate 03/04 cobras (now GT500) too, but if you cant beat them join em
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well on gm's defense, having a extra 1.1L on top of the 4.6 n/a would be and advantage,
but when you stick 32v in a 4.6 and stick a 2.8L blower on top i think that motor has the upper hand, i know you cant add 4.6L to 2.8L and get a 7.4L engine , **** doesnt work that way,
but... it sure does run like that lol
as for joining them, ... its been a struggle ever since the termy;s came out, but thats okay the ford guys have had their asses handed to them after the 5.0. they needed it
its been tuff i just havent given up yet, doubt i ever will, but,,, if i see a termy up for sale for a decent price, ill pick it up and add it to my garage,
like i said the only stang worth having is a termy, there sick, deff a car to be reckoned with,
but when you stick 32v in a 4.6 and stick a 2.8L blower on top i think that motor has the upper hand, i know you cant add 4.6L to 2.8L and get a 7.4L engine , **** doesnt work that way,
but... it sure does run like that lol
as for joining them, ... its been a struggle ever since the termy;s came out, but thats okay the ford guys have had their asses handed to them after the 5.0. they needed it
its been tuff i just havent given up yet, doubt i ever will, but,,, if i see a termy up for sale for a decent price, ill pick it up and add it to my garage,
like i said the only stang worth having is a termy, there sick, deff a car to be reckoned with,
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Has nothing to do with a procharged 02 T/A. it's just a common cereal enjoyed for breakfast by children daydreaming about simply sticking a procharger on a stock LS1 T/A and getting 600+whp. (8lbs and fuel/exhaust upgrades may get you 450).
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Not sure why you would need to upgrade fuel, lots of F-bodys running more than 500whp with stock pump and injectors. I do agree with the exhaust though, headers are a must.
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Wow what a damn waste of my time reading this thread, although it was kinda hysterical. Now if i was in Unit213's place i would have already layed down the ban hammer on a few guys who dont know how to act in a mature manner.
As for the DA that said you can get 6XX hp out of a stock motored car with just a procharger will never happen in a million years. Now if you want to start messing with internals then ofcourse it can happen.
So as already stated yes the GT500 is an Overpriced and under performed car. But hell its not our money to spend so if somebody wants to buy the car, hell thats their decision. As for me i would never buy that car even though i will hand it to ford for designing such a nice looking car
. Ya the car is very traction limited and i say it will definitely run 11's with a good driver and a set of DR"s or even slicks.
Seriously though guys stop all the Bull Shitting. Its always a Ford vs Chevy battle.. Yes ford built a few and i mean a few mustangs off the showroom that would hang/outrun an LS1.
RUN WHAT YA BRUNG AND HOPE YOU BROUGHT ENOUGH
As for the DA that said you can get 6XX hp out of a stock motored car with just a procharger will never happen in a million years. Now if you want to start messing with internals then ofcourse it can happen.
So as already stated yes the GT500 is an Overpriced and under performed car. But hell its not our money to spend so if somebody wants to buy the car, hell thats their decision. As for me i would never buy that car even though i will hand it to ford for designing such a nice looking car
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Seriously though guys stop all the Bull Shitting. Its always a Ford vs Chevy battle.. Yes ford built a few and i mean a few mustangs off the showroom that would hang/outrun an LS1.
RUN WHAT YA BRUNG AND HOPE YOU BROUGHT ENOUGH
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ok everyone group hug and i'm sure we'll get through this
good point
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Speaking of hammers... Some tools in this thread would prolly tell you it isn't so... That his car had a stock longblock! ![Icon Lol](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/icon_lol.gif)
On account... You're not arguing like a fool and the only folks seemingly in real disagreement don't want to notice you because they'd have to think, "Here's another LS1 owner saying I'm full'o crap... Maybe I am!"
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On account... You're not arguing like a fool and the only folks seemingly in real disagreement don't want to notice you because they'd have to think, "Here's another LS1 owner saying I'm full'o crap... Maybe I am!"
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