Blackbird39 (06 STi 360whp) vs Yellowsierra (06 GTO 438 whp)
12-20-2007, 09:10 PM
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Well IMO I have the best Tuner/builder in the Subaru aftermarket: Boxer4racing. But a big part of the issue here is blown out of proportion dyno #'s with the EVO's & STi's. They are 4cyl engines and it takes careful planning and intuitive building to make good hp out of them.
Seems like everybody is claiming huge hp #'s and "only" xx psi. Hell I don't even want to claim 360whp even tho I have a mustang dyno slip saying that my car did pull that. My car is a very strong running car for 19psi and I attribute that to the expertise of Boxer4racing. They only look at Dyno #'s as a tuning tool, not as the end all.
Truthfully the AWD dyno's are still in their infancy and nobody really knows how much to correct for drivetrain losses. When people dump 4-6k into engine mods they don't want to hear oh you put down 300whp. So these dyno owners are influenced to correct the numbers which just hurts everybody.
Seems like everybody is claiming huge hp #'s and "only" xx psi. Hell I don't even want to claim 360whp even tho I have a mustang dyno slip saying that my car did pull that. My car is a very strong running car for 19psi and I attribute that to the expertise of Boxer4racing. They only look at Dyno #'s as a tuning tool, not as the end all.
Truthfully the AWD dyno's are still in their infancy and nobody really knows how much to correct for drivetrain losses. When people dump 4-6k into engine mods they don't want to hear oh you put down 300whp. So these dyno owners are influenced to correct the numbers which just hurts everybody.
12-21-2007, 10:44 AM
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Hold on, guys. I wasn't calling BS or anything. I was just surprised, that's all.
The Mustang dyno changes things. You could be making a bit more than this guy was. Plus, like I said, I don't know the driver situation. And we all know anything can happen on the street.
Plus, yes. The GTO could still have weighed about 250 more than me if it weighs 3900 lbs, so that could make up the power advantage he has on me.
Again, good runs.
The Mustang dyno changes things. You could be making a bit more than this guy was. Plus, like I said, I don't know the driver situation. And we all know anything can happen on the street.
Plus, yes. The GTO could still have weighed about 250 more than me if it weighs 3900 lbs, so that could make up the power advantage he has on me.
Again, good runs.
12-21-2007, 02:50 PM
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Well IMO I have the best Tuner/builder in the Subaru aftermarket: Boxer4racing. But a big part of the issue here is blown out of proportion dyno #'s with the EVO's & STi's. They are 4cyl engines and it takes careful planning and intuitive building to make good hp out of them.
Seems like everybody is claiming huge hp #'s and "only" xx psi. Hell I don't even want to claim 360whp even tho I have a mustang dyno slip saying that my car did pull that. My car is a very strong running car for 19psi and I attribute that to the expertise of Boxer4racing. They only look at Dyno #'s as a tuning tool, not as the end all.
Truthfully the AWD dyno's are still in their infancy and nobody really knows how much to correct for drivetrain losses. When people dump 4-6k into engine mods they don't want to hear oh you put down 300whp. So these dyno owners are influenced to correct the numbers which just hurts everybody.
Seems like everybody is claiming huge hp #'s and "only" xx psi. Hell I don't even want to claim 360whp even tho I have a mustang dyno slip saying that my car did pull that. My car is a very strong running car for 19psi and I attribute that to the expertise of Boxer4racing. They only look at Dyno #'s as a tuning tool, not as the end all.
Truthfully the AWD dyno's are still in their infancy and nobody really knows how much to correct for drivetrain losses. When people dump 4-6k into engine mods they don't want to hear oh you put down 300whp. So these dyno owners are influenced to correct the numbers which just hurts everybody.
12-21-2007, 03:28 PM
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Hold on, guys. I wasn't calling BS or anything. I was just surprised, that's all.
The Mustang dyno changes things. You could be making a bit more than this guy was. Plus, like I said, I don't know the driver situation. And we all know anything can happen on the street.
Plus, yes. The GTO could still have weighed about 250 more than me if it weighs 3900 lbs, so that could make up the power advantage he has on me.
Again, good runs.
The Mustang dyno changes things. You could be making a bit more than this guy was. Plus, like I said, I don't know the driver situation. And we all know anything can happen on the street.
Plus, yes. The GTO could still have weighed about 250 more than me if it weighs 3900 lbs, so that could make up the power advantage he has on me.
Again, good runs.
12-21-2007, 03:29 PM
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Well IMO I have the best Tuner/builder in the Subaru aftermarket: Boxer4racing. But a big part of the issue here is blown out of proportion dyno #'s with the EVO's & STi's. They are 4cyl engines and it takes careful planning and intuitive building to make good hp out of them.
Seems like everybody is claiming huge hp #'s and "only" xx psi. Hell I don't even want to claim 360whp even tho I have a mustang dyno slip saying that my car did pull that. My car is a very strong running car for 19psi and I attribute that to the expertise of Boxer4racing. They only look at Dyno #'s as a tuning tool, not as the end all.
Truthfully the AWD dyno's are still in their infancy and nobody really knows how much to correct for drivetrain losses. When people dump 4-6k into engine mods they don't want to hear oh you put down 300whp. So these dyno owners are influenced to correct the numbers which just hurts everybody.
Seems like everybody is claiming huge hp #'s and "only" xx psi. Hell I don't even want to claim 360whp even tho I have a mustang dyno slip saying that my car did pull that. My car is a very strong running car for 19psi and I attribute that to the expertise of Boxer4racing. They only look at Dyno #'s as a tuning tool, not as the end all.
Truthfully the AWD dyno's are still in their infancy and nobody really knows how much to correct for drivetrain losses. When people dump 4-6k into engine mods they don't want to hear oh you put down 300whp. So these dyno owners are influenced to correct the numbers which just hurts everybody.
you get into alot of races man!! nice death, good to see the 20g holding up.
12-21-2007, 03:38 PM
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I actually went thru a dryspell for races until recently I ran into some cool guys in my area. I love the 20g, I know I could get more hp out of a rotated mount 35r but I think it would ruin the car to have that much lag. I still have great throttle response thru the curves and it's got enough top end to keep me close with some great performers like built WS6's and GTO's.
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12-21-2007, 08:20 PM
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jTo tell the truth I hate giving away a major portion of my arsenal in these roll races: ie the AWD launch. I know these roads and temps are in no way the best conditions for street tires, hell even I can spin badly.really it would be better to wait for better road conditons and maybe even take it to the track for a true comparison with ET's and traps thru a well prepped 1320. .
I have universal ebay camera mount on order, which should be here around the first. I'll get it figured out and we'll get some good vids when conditions improve lol. Month is a long time don't be thinking about that wet system too much now.
12-21-2007, 09:40 PM
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I'd be willing to go tomorrow but I wont have a camera mount so no vid jTo tell the truth I hate giving away a major portion of my arsenal in these roll races: ie the AWD launch. I know these roads and temps are in no way the best conditions for street tires, hell even I can spin badly.really it would be better to wait for better road conditons and maybe even take it to the track for a true comparison with ET's and traps thru a well prepped 1320.
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I have universal ebay camera mount on order, which should be here around the first. I'll get it figured out and we'll get some good vids when conditions improve lol. Month is a long time don't be thinking about that wet system too much now.
jTo tell the truth I hate giving away a major portion of my arsenal in these roll races: ie the AWD launch. I know these roads and temps are in no way the best conditions for street tires, hell even I can spin badly.really it would be better to wait for better road conditons and maybe even take it to the track for a true comparison with ET's and traps thru a well prepped 1320. .
I have universal ebay camera mount on order, which should be here around the first. I'll get it figured out and we'll get some good vids when conditions improve lol. Month is a long time don't be thinking about that wet system too much now.
I was thinking more along the lines of getting the truck done! I like my car the way it is but I wouldn't care to have a Wet kit for runs that get alittle to close! It looks like LSX motors respond well to nitrous... Im goin have to think about it.
12-21-2007, 10:12 PM
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ya lets wait a couple weeks, that way i can get my car back and youll have your truck so when i beat brandt and you lol just jk guys
i can run the truck. as for the n2o lsx motors love it. if you decide to tho let me know i may can get you a direct port at a great price.
i can run the truck. as for the n2o lsx motors love it. if you decide to tho let me know i may can get you a direct port at a great price. 