Now that I've read this thread, I realize that the 05 C6 is an A4. What comes in the 06-08 as fas as automatics go?

 

the 06 and up offer the A6 tranny (paddle shift) with D and S modes.S being more suitable for racing. The C6 owner the OP mentioned obviously either 1) didn't realize you were racing him. 2)was scared of his own car. or 3) a victim of torque management. TM is heavily embedded in the C6s, although it is worse in the automatics as it also is applied into the tranny whereas it is not in the manuals. Most A6s I've seen that gets the TM tuned away gain about .3-.5 in the 1/4 mile. BTW,13's in a C6 does make baby jesus fetus cry.

 

Pardon my ignorance, but can you explain the paddle shift to me please. I also take it TM is basiclly like traction control in F Bods? Are you not able to turn off TM without tuning? Thanks in advance for all the info.

 

To use the paddle shifter, the car must be in "S" mode, although you can drive in "S" without paddle shifting. Once you're in "S", you can either upshift or down shift with either paddle(not up/left down/ right or vice versa like exotics, but both do both functions.). If you go too far into the rpm range and try to shift, you'll get an "X" inthe gear indicator in the HUD, not allowing you to upshift until RPMs drop. Basically, at WOT, if you hit the shifter about 300-400 rpm before the redline, you'll be fine, but you can always raise the limiter for higher RPM shifting. TM is a multi faceted beast. A guy over at corvette forum did a test showing that at WOT, and good hook at the track, the TM pulled 14 degrees of timing for .3 to .4 tenths of a second on launch, 1-2 shift and 2-3 shift. Traction control and Active Handling are able to be turned off by the driver, but TM is not unless tuned away. TM applies the highest percentage in situation where the most torque output is being read by the computer, and is oddly not a present when the wheels are spinning as when you positively hook the tires.If you get TM tuned away( you cannot completely remove all aspects of it, but it can be decreased now with the newer tuning software to almost being all gone) TC and AH is still able to be used at full compacity until the user turns them off using the button on the console. TM is not like TC in F Bodies or like TC in other Vettes as well. Ask any seasoned C6 drag strip guy that uses an A6 about TM and you'll probally get an ear full.

 

The auto vs. manual argument doesn't really hold true anymore with the 6L80E. The A6's hold the majority of the track records, not to mention the internal gearing of the 6L80E is WAY more aggressive than the T56. Give me a 6L80E ANYDAY. It seems to be an even stronger tranny than the T56 too, and that's saying a lot. The days of the manual muscle car is at an end, fellas. The stronger, faster transmissions of tomorrow are auto's.

Yea, I realize they still eat a little more rwhp up (barely), but the gearing and perfect shifting makes up for it IMO.

To the OP: you may have caught him out of his powerband and you were in yours. 55-95 hardly is a race IMO. He may have bottomed out a gear and had to pull through the whole rpm range.

Of course, this all assumes the user is a 2006-2007 C6. I don't hear of many 2005's A4's these days. I think they all traded them in If it IS an A4 and not an A6, well, that's the problem right there...

 

Are there any advantages to having tourqe management?

 

Yup. It's easier on the transmission internals and your transmission will last longer.

That's why GM puts torque management on - to pull timing in between the shifts. Remember, automatics basically powershift every shift. That brief pull of timing in the instant the shift occurs is a lot easier on the clutches inside the transmission. On the 4L60E, since it's a medium duty trans, removing torque management on an F-body/Corvette can really shorten its lifespan. However, the 6L80E is a much stronger transmission and it could probably handle TM being deleted a lot better...at least I would assume so. Remove it at your own risk.

 

His is an A4.

 

Its a good tranny but it takes the fun factor away.

For drag racing I'm with you 100%. For a DD ill take my T56 any day of the week.

 

The A4, while dated, can be very effective. DennisNJ's 05 C6 has an A4 and is the fastest and quickest bolt on only car listed. He's running 11.1's with drs,converter,and a full compliment of bolt ons.The biggest kick in the pants for the A6 is that there has not yet been an effective torque converter on the market for it.

 

1) yes he did, he initiated the race
2) it was a vert, I could tell by his expression, his bald head, and his demeanor, that he was not at all scared and
3) we were going 60, tm was not an issue, neither of us had any traction issues. he was definetly an automatic and the vert was down.

 

I've had the same thing happen to me . The fastest I've gone at the track is 13.01 and i came from a car behind (he didn't wait for me to come along side nailed it while he was in front of me on the on ramp) and from about 50-120 i made up the car he was ahead plus 1 more then we slowed and took off from 60.... same thing i pulled away from him till we shut down. I thought he would catch me around 120 but i was still pulling away .I figured he just didn't know the car yet . he still had the paper plate.

 

ok...well it must be that you happen to have the fastest "stock" CTS-V ever produced and you're the greatest driver in the world...that make you feel better, you big,bad,vette killer....

 

My C6 is a mn6....when I said we're easy to forget, I meant the 05's. Bad wording on my part.

 

you stupid LSx guys making it hard on us bluebloods.

 

I don't know man. A paddle shifted A6 is just as much fun IMO. Plus, you'll never have to worry about working a clutch in heavy traffic, and backing up with an M6 is a big PITA. Also, if you put a big cam in your car, driving the M6 is a lot more difficult while driving the A6 shouldn't be all too bad. No slipping clutches either...

I'd rather have the A6 with a nice shift kit. Nothing like chirping a hard shift in an automatic (says the guy with a stock A4 that has never chirped a shift ...but I've been in cars that could )

 

Well, that explains it perfectly then. He was probably way out of his powerband. With 2.73's, my A4 used to redline at 95 mph, so going WOT at ~50 mph was bottoming out 2nd gear. It felt like I was towing a trailer from anything under a ~65 mph kickdown. Glad I got the 3.42's in I don't miss the 2.73's AT ALL.

 

You were LUCKY or he was not racing you LOL

 

Wow..... every once in a blue moon the kill section can actually be informative!!!!!

 

Touchy much?