Howd I pull a c6?
the 06 and up offer the A6 tranny (paddle shift) with D and S modes.S being more suitable for racing. The C6 owner the OP mentioned obviously either 1) didn't realize you were racing him. 2)was scared of his own car. or 3) a victim of torque management. TM is heavily embedded in the C6s, although it is worse in the automatics as it also is applied into the tranny whereas it is not in the manuals. Most A6s I've seen that gets the TM tuned away gain about .3-.5 in the 1/4 mile. BTW,13's in a C6 does make baby jesus fetus cry.
the 06 and up offer the A6 tranny (paddle shift) with D and S modes.S being more suitable for racing. The C6 owner the OP mentioned obviously either 1) didn't realize you were racing him. 2)was scared of his own car. or 3) a victim of torque management. TM is heavily embedded in the C6s, although it is worse in the automatics as it also is applied into the tranny whereas it is not in the manuals. Most A6s I've seen that gets the TM tuned away gain about .3-.5 in the 1/4 mile. BTW,13's in a C6 does make baby jesus fetus cry.
To use the paddle shifter, the car must be in "S" mode, although you can drive in "S" without paddle shifting. Once you're in "S", you can either upshift or down shift with either paddle(not up/left down/ right or vice versa like exotics, but both do both functions.). If you go too far into the rpm range and try to shift, you'll get an "X" inthe gear indicator in the HUD, not allowing you to upshift until RPMs drop. Basically, at WOT, if you hit the shifter about 300-400 rpm before the redline, you'll be fine, but you can always raise the limiter for higher RPM shifting. TM is a multi faceted beast. A guy over at corvette forum did a test showing that at WOT, and good hook at the track, the TM pulled 14 degrees of timing for .3 to .4 tenths of a second on launch, 1-2 shift and 2-3 shift. Traction control and Active Handling are able to be turned off by the driver, but TM is not unless tuned away. TM applies the highest percentage in situation where the most torque output is being read by the computer, and is oddly not a present when the wheels are spinning as when you positively hook the tires.If you get TM tuned away( you cannot completely remove all aspects of it, but it can be decreased now with the newer tuning software to almost being all gone) TC and AH is still able to be used at full compacity until the user turns them off using the button on the console. TM is not like TC in F Bodies or like TC in other Vettes as well. Ask any seasoned C6 drag strip guy that uses an A6 about TM and you'll probally get an ear full.
Tech Resident
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,117
Likes: 3
From: Philly
Yea, I realize they still eat a little more rwhp up (barely), but the gearing and perfect shifting makes up for it IMO.
To the OP: you may have caught him out of his powerband and you were in yours. 55-95 hardly is a race IMO. He may have bottomed out a gear and had to pull through the whole rpm range.
Of course, this all assumes the user is a 2006-2007 C6. I don't hear of many 2005's A4's these days. I think they all traded them in
If it IS an A4 and not an A6, well, that's the problem right there... Last edited by ChocoTaco369; Dec 27, 2007 at 09:36 PM.
Tech Resident
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,117
Likes: 3
From: Philly
Yup. It's easier on the transmission internals and your transmission will last longer.
That's why GM puts torque management on - to pull timing in between the shifts. Remember, automatics basically powershift every shift. That brief pull of timing in the instant the shift occurs is a lot easier on the clutches inside the transmission. On the 4L60E, since it's a medium duty trans, removing torque management on an F-body/Corvette can really shorten its lifespan. However, the 6L80E is a much stronger transmission and it could probably handle TM being deleted a lot better...at least I would assume so. Remove it at your own risk.
That's why GM puts torque management on - to pull timing in between the shifts. Remember, automatics basically powershift every shift. That brief pull of timing in the instant the shift occurs is a lot easier on the clutches inside the transmission. On the 4L60E, since it's a medium duty trans, removing torque management on an F-body/Corvette can really shorten its lifespan. However, the 6L80E is a much stronger transmission and it could probably handle TM being deleted a lot better...at least I would assume so. Remove it at your own risk.
Originally Posted by Bunk22's sig
05 C6 Z51
05 Tahoe LT/03 Nissan 3.5l Altima
05 Tahoe LT/03 Nissan 3.5l Altima
LS1 Tech Stories
The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them
Pouria Savadkouei
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked
Pouria Savadkouei
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP
Verdad Gallardo
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes
Verdad Gallardo
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power
Verdad Gallardo
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die
Verdad Gallardo
Staging Lane
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 95
Likes: 0
From: Tuscon AZ
The auto vs. manual argument doesn't really hold true anymore with the 6L80E. The A6's hold the majority of the track records, not to mention the internal gearing of the 6L80E is WAY more aggressive than the T56. Give me a 6L80E ANYDAY. It seems to be an even stronger tranny than the T56 too, and that's saying a lot. The days of the manual muscle car is at an end, fellas. The stronger, faster transmissions of tomorrow are auto's.
Yea, I realize they still eat a little more rwhp up (barely), but the gearing and perfect shifting makes up for it IMO.
To the OP: you may have caught him out of his powerband and you were in yours. 55-95 hardly is a race IMO. He may have bottomed out a gear and had to pull through the whole rpm range.
Of course, this all assumes the user is a 2006-2007 C6. I don't hear of many 2005's A4's these days. I think they all traded them in If it IS an A4 and not an A6, well, that's the problem right there...
Yea, I realize they still eat a little more rwhp up (barely), but the gearing and perfect shifting makes up for it IMO.
To the OP: you may have caught him out of his powerband and you were in yours. 55-95 hardly is a race IMO. He may have bottomed out a gear and had to pull through the whole rpm range.
Of course, this all assumes the user is a 2006-2007 C6. I don't hear of many 2005's A4's these days. I think they all traded them in
If it IS an A4 and not an A6, well, that's the problem right there...For drag racing I'm with you 100%. For a DD ill take my T56 any day of the week.
The A4, while dated, can be very effective. DennisNJ's 05 C6 has an A4 and is the fastest and quickest bolt on only car listed. He's running 11.1's with drs,converter,and a full compliment of bolt ons.The biggest kick in the pants for the A6 is that there has not yet been an effective torque converter on the market for it.
1) didn't realize you were racing him. 2)was scared of his own car. or 3) a victim of torque management.
2) it was a vert, I could tell by his expression, his bald head, and his demeanor, that he was not at all scared and
3) we were going 60, tm was not an issue, neither of us had any traction issues. he was definetly an automatic and the vert was down.
I've had the same thing happen to me . The fastest I've gone at the track is 13.01 and i came from a car behind (he didn't wait for me to come along side nailed it while he was in front of me on the on ramp) and from about 50-120 i made up the car he was ahead plus 1 more then we slowed and took off from 60.... same thing i pulled away from him till we shut down. I thought he would catch me around 120 but i was still pulling away .I figured he just didn't know the car yet . he still had the paper plate.
1) yes he did, he initiated the race
2) it was a vert, I could tell by his expression, his bald head, and his demeanor, that he was not at all scared and
3) we were going 60, tm was not an issue, neither of us had any traction issues. he was definetly an automatic and the vert was down.
2) it was a vert, I could tell by his expression, his bald head, and his demeanor, that he was not at all scared and
3) we were going 60, tm was not an issue, neither of us had any traction issues. he was definetly an automatic and the vert was down.
Tech Resident
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,117
Likes: 3
From: Philly
I'd rather have the A6 with a nice shift kit. Nothing like chirping a hard shift in an automatic (says the guy with a stock A4 that has never chirped a shift
...but I've been in cars that could 
) Tech Resident
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,117
Likes: 3
From: Philly
Well, that explains it perfectly then. He was probably way out of his powerband. With 2.73's, my A4 used to redline at 95 mph, so going WOT at ~50 mph was bottoming out 2nd gear. It felt like I was towing a trailer from anything under a ~65 mph kickdown. Glad I got the 3.42's in 
I don't miss the 2.73's AT ALL.
I don't miss the 2.73's AT ALL. 
Staging Lane
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 92
Likes: 0
From: Westmont