Evo vs Supra, Cobra, Camaro, Integra, random Bikes
05-01-2008, 05:52 PM
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This is what you stated before hand. You said they wont hold up. These cars are holding up. I have a buddy who beats the hell out of his and is in the 650 range and has had no issues for two years.
Your bias goes beyond common sense man. I can't stand the sound, looks, or anything about the cars really. But they can be built to hold up.
This is what you stated before hand. You said they wont hold up. These cars are holding up. I have a buddy who beats the hell out of his and is in the 650 range and has had no issues for two years.
Your bias goes beyond common sense man. I can't stand the sound, looks, or anything about the cars really. But they can be built to hold up.
05-01-2008, 05:59 PM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is what you stated before hand. You said they wont hold up. These cars are holding up. I have a buddy who beats the hell out of his and is in the 650 range and has had no issues for two years.
Your bias goes beyond common sense man. I can't stand the sound, looks, or anything about the cars really. But they can be built to hold up.
This is what you stated before hand. You said they wont hold up. These cars are holding up. I have a buddy who beats the hell out of his and is in the 650 range and has had no issues for two years.
Your bias goes beyond common sense man. I can't stand the sound, looks, or anything about the cars really. But they can be built to hold up.
05-01-2008, 06:05 PM
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True. But lets face reality here bro. You modify anything for power and keep the supporting cast stock, you will have issues. Our trannys suck ***** once power is added. Espesially the 4L60E turd. Our rears suck worse than gay ****.
They have thier special set of problems as do we. That is why you have to build the supprting cast to take the power you put through it. I see your points and agree with some. But you are only listing the cons without seeing the way that they can turn them into pros very easily.
You had a fit earlier about someone raging our handling. You then went on to state that it is a easy problem to fix. It is the same arguement for them. Just two sides to the same coin.
They have thier special set of problems as do we. That is why you have to build the supprting cast to take the power you put through it. I see your points and agree with some. But you are only listing the cons without seeing the way that they can turn them into pros very easily.
You had a fit earlier about someone raging our handling. You then went on to state that it is a easy problem to fix. It is the same arguement for them. Just two sides to the same coin.
05-01-2008, 09:21 PM
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True. But lets face reality here bro. You modify anything for power and keep the supporting cast stock, you will have issues. Our trannys suck ***** once power is added. Espesially the 4L60E turd. Our rears suck worse than gay ****.
They have thier special set of problems as do we. That is why you have to build the supprting cast to take the power you put through it. I see your points and agree with some. But you are only listing the cons without seeing the way that they can turn them into pros very easily.
You had a fit earlier about someone raging our handling. You then went on to state that it is a easy problem to fix. It is the same arguement for them. Just two sides to the same coin.
They have thier special set of problems as do we. That is why you have to build the supprting cast to take the power you put through it. I see your points and agree with some. But you are only listing the cons without seeing the way that they can turn them into pros very easily.
You had a fit earlier about someone raging our handling. You then went on to state that it is a easy problem to fix. It is the same arguement for them. Just two sides to the same coin.
Compare this to the Evo transmission. Subpar design in the first place (Mitsubishi, expect nothing better) that often grenades and becomes inoperable when driven in performance manner. And when it does break, its a complete bitch to get it out of the car, and will costs you thousands to get rebuilt or replaced. Same with the transfer case, so you get double the bill when one gives out and takes the other one with it. The 6 speeds are especially shitty, they blow out on a regular basis. The new Evo X is so shitty that they are having problems with them already, owners are complaining of grinding going into 2nd and 3rd gear. Mind you this is on brand new, non-abused vehicles with less than 1,000 miles on them.
Same thing with the rear. the 10 bolt lasts most people deep into the 12's, 11's with an auto. If it breaks, they are a dime a dozen. Or you could just get a 9" and have a bulletproof rear that will take anything you can throw at it for $2500. Staged axles alone for an Evo would be over a grand, figure in the front and rear differentials and you've probably exceeded the value of the car.
As for the handling I mentioned, thats not a defect or poor design, its just that our cars aren't set up for handling from the factory. A few hundred dollars in minor upgrades easily address that shortcoming.
My point is some cars are mod friendly and some aren't. You can upgrade every component in an F-body to be bulletproof without breaking the bank. Thats simply not possible with an AWD economy car that was never designed for going fast in the first place.
05-01-2008, 09:44 PM
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I have DESTROYED several T56's and one was "Bullet proof" if there is any such thing. At lower HP driver error has some play in it. As soon as you put any power,especially N2O, the T56 does not fare well on stickies. I have some NASTY pics of holes in the case you could stick your thumbs in.
Cost does not matter when it comes to racing. People mod to thier budget and do it to what they perfer. As for thier transfer case going out......that is part of thier game, I could care less. AWD has its hazzards. Mitsu products lack in quality, I agree. But, it could be said about certain aspects of any car in the low end plebeian type cars. People just like different things. Me I like the manly roar of a cammed out stroker V8. Some guys like that pissed off hornet in a tin can sound. Why? It defies comprehenion.
But that doesn't mean we should bash on people for having a different way of doing the same thing we all want to do if they are doing it right.
Ricers deserve to be kicked in the *****. Guys who have truely fast imports and show respect deserve to be treated the same. ROBDEVO came on here with nothing but respect and you clowned his ****. Clown the guy that comes on here talking ****. There are plenty of'em man. God knows I have dug into quite a few and enjoyed it.
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Cost does not matter when it comes to racing. People mod to thier budget and do it to what they perfer. As for thier transfer case going out......that is part of thier game, I could care less. AWD has its hazzards. Mitsu products lack in quality, I agree. But, it could be said about certain aspects of any car in the low end plebeian type cars. People just like different things. Me I like the manly roar of a cammed out stroker V8. Some guys like that pissed off hornet in a tin can sound. Why? It defies comprehenion.
But that doesn't mean we should bash on people for having a different way of doing the same thing we all want to do if they are doing it right.
Ricers deserve to be kicked in the *****. Guys who have truely fast imports and show respect deserve to be treated the same. ROBDEVO came on here with nothing but respect and you clowned his ****. Clown the guy that comes on here talking ****. There are plenty of'em man. God knows I have dug into quite a few and enjoyed it.
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05-01-2008, 09:56 PM
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I have DESTROYED several T56's and one was "Bullet proof" if there is any such thing. At lower HP driver error has some play in it. As soon as you put any power,especially N2O, the T56 does not fare well on stickies. I have some NASTY pics of holes in the case you could stick your thumbs in.
Cost does not matter when it comes to racing. People mod to thier budget and do it to what they perfer. As for thier transfer case going out......that is part of thier game, I could care less. AWD has its hazzards. Mitsu products lack in quality, I agree. But, it could be said about certain aspects of any car in the low end plebeian type cars. People just like different things. Me I like the manly roar of a cammed out stroker V8. Some guys like that pissed off hornet in a tin can sound. Why? It defies comprehenion.
But that doesn't mean we should bash on people for having a different way of doing the same thing we all want to do if they are doing it right.
Ricers deserve to be kicked in the *****. Guys who have truely fast imports and show respect deserve to be treated the same. ROBDEVO came on here with nothing but respect and you clowned his ****. Clown the guy that comes on here talking ****. There are plenty of'em man. God knows I have dug into quite a few and enjoyed it.
END OF RANT
Cost does not matter when it comes to racing. People mod to thier budget and do it to what they perfer. As for thier transfer case going out......that is part of thier game, I could care less. AWD has its hazzards. Mitsu products lack in quality, I agree. But, it could be said about certain aspects of any car in the low end plebeian type cars. People just like different things. Me I like the manly roar of a cammed out stroker V8. Some guys like that pissed off hornet in a tin can sound. Why? It defies comprehenion.
But that doesn't mean we should bash on people for having a different way of doing the same thing we all want to do if they are doing it right.
Ricers deserve to be kicked in the *****. Guys who have truely fast imports and show respect deserve to be treated the same. ROBDEVO came on here with nothing but respect and you clowned his ****. Clown the guy that comes on here talking ****. There are plenty of'em man. God knows I have dug into quite a few and enjoyed it.
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I don't show ricers (Robdevo) any respect becase they don't deserve any respect. You waste your money making a piece of **** like that try and go fast, and then you have the nerve to come on an LS1 forum and try and brag about your pile of crap ricer?? Sorry, I don't agree with that ****, take it back to your ricer forum, maybe someone over there will care to hear your fart can buzzing in their ear.
05-01-2008, 10:01 PM
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LOL at driver error. Have you ever actually driven anything fast dude? Yeah those guys have thier trannies taking that kind of abuse. They also have the luxury of taking them out and freshening them up. After hard use eventually you will get little spider cracks in your gears and the heat and cool cycles of the car will weaken the metal.
After a season of hard driving and high RPM clutch dumps, **** gives out. 5k clutch dump with a large shot of nitrous does not keep longevity in anything drive trane wise. I have snapped 12bolt axles. I guess that would be driver error. You have a habit of pointing out what other people do. What have you done? You never have answered me on what times you are running. What mods so you have?
After a season of hard driving and high RPM clutch dumps, **** gives out. 5k clutch dump with a large shot of nitrous does not keep longevity in anything drive trane wise. I have snapped 12bolt axles. I guess that would be driver error. You have a habit of pointing out what other people do. What have you done? You never have answered me on what times you are running. What mods so you have?
Obviously there is some serious driver error going on if you've destroyed several T56's. Sixspeedsinc runs 9's with their built T56 F-body, and there is vid on Youtube of a 1700HP twin turbo Viper running 8's with a STOCK Viper-spec T56.
I don't show ricers (Robdevo) any respect becase they don't deserve any respect. You waste your money making a piece of **** like that try and go fast, and then you have the nerve to come on an LS1 forum and try and brag about your pile of crap ricer?? Sorry, I don't agree with that ****, take it back to your ricer forum, maybe someone over there will care to hear your fart can buzzing in their ear.
I don't show ricers (Robdevo) any respect becase they don't deserve any respect. You waste your money making a piece of **** like that try and go fast, and then you have the nerve to come on an LS1 forum and try and brag about your pile of crap ricer?? Sorry, I don't agree with that ****, take it back to your ricer forum, maybe someone over there will care to hear your fart can buzzing in their ear.
05-01-2008, 10:36 PM
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Obviously there is some serious driver error going on if you've destroyed several T56's. Sixspeedsinc runs 9's with their built T56 F-body, and there is vid on Youtube of a 1700HP twin turbo Viper running 8's with a STOCK Viper-spec T56.
I don't show ricers (Robdevo) any respect becase they don't deserve any respect. You waste your money making a piece of **** like that try and go fast, and then you have the nerve to come on an LS1 forum and try and brag about your pile of crap ricer?? Sorry, I don't agree with that ****, take it back to your ricer forum, maybe someone over there will care to hear your fart can buzzing in their ear.
I don't show ricers (Robdevo) any respect becase they don't deserve any respect. You waste your money making a piece of **** like that try and go fast, and then you have the nerve to come on an LS1 forum and try and brag about your pile of crap ricer?? Sorry, I don't agree with that ****, take it back to your ricer forum, maybe someone over there will care to hear your fart can buzzing in their ear.
05-01-2008, 10:46 PM
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The 6 speeds are especially shitty, they blow out on a regular basis. The new Evo X is so shitty that they are having problems with them already, owners are complaining of grinding going into 2nd and 3rd gear. Mind you this is on brand new, non-abused vehicles with less than 1,000 miles on them.
As for the handling I mentioned, thats not a defect or poor design, its just that our cars aren't set up for handling from the factory. A few hundred dollars in minor upgrades easily address that shortcoming.
As for the handling I mentioned, thats not a defect or poor design, its just that our cars aren't set up for handling from the factory. A few hundred dollars in minor upgrades easily address that shortcoming.
Our cars aren't set up for handling from the factory, while Evos aren't set up for drag from the factory. Just because said car isn't made to do something doesn't mean it can't do it...
05-02-2008, 12:28 AM
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I think all those cars were really nice. With the exeption of the Integra, I just don't like FWD cars. It looked like it was done right though. Cars like the EVO and STI's are incredibly versatile. You can set them up to handle and they still do well on the strip because of AWD. Need to go to the grocery store with the Misses and the kids, no problem. Want a fast car that does everything well? They are great cars and yes the durability of them definately leaves a little to be desired but as stated earlier when you start going that fast you end up replacing everything anyways. I like fast cars plain and simple. I don't like the "ricer attitude" so to speak but as long as their cool its all good with me.
I've owned a WRX if anyone is wondering where I'm getting my opinions from. I broke the Trans twice. If I had built it right the first time then it wouldn't have broke the 2nd time. But it is what it is. It was still a great car and I miss it sometimes.
I've owned a WRX if anyone is wondering where I'm getting my opinions from. I broke the Trans twice. If I had built it right the first time then it wouldn't have broke the 2nd time. But it is what it is. It was still a great car and I miss it sometimes.
05-02-2008, 04:15 AM
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05-02-2008, 08:10 AM
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Well this has turned into an interesting thread to say the least. My intentions by posting my video certainly were not to say "hey look at me, I'm bad *** and i can beat all domestics out there". To be quite honest, the only reason you don't see more imports in the video, is because most of the faster cars around where I live are all domestics.
Ricer mentality can be taken from both sides, and by the way ONEBADASSWS6 talks, it seems to me he has fallen into the very category he claims he hates. (being a ricer)
I do have to say though, I do appreciate the respect that most people have on here. I am the type of person, that even though I may not like something, or agree with how something was done, that doesn't mean I cannot appreciate its nature. (IE different paths to make horsepower)
Although I really do like the sound of a heavily built, stroked, V8.
Ricer mentality can be taken from both sides, and by the way ONEBADASSWS6 talks, it seems to me he has fallen into the very category he claims he hates. (being a ricer)
I do have to say though, I do appreciate the respect that most people have on here. I am the type of person, that even though I may not like something, or agree with how something was done, that doesn't mean I cannot appreciate its nature. (IE different paths to make horsepower)
Although I really do like the sound of a heavily built, stroked, V8.
