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Evo vs camaro z28

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Old 08-24-2008, 07:39 PM
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i just raced an evo, my z28 is bone stock with a flowmaster 80 series.
from third gear like a 50 mph roll he was about half a car ahead. does this sound right.
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Anything done to evo? You auto or 6speed? He get the hit? Gotta be a little more specific.
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Originally Posted by tator98ta
Anything done to evo? You auto or 6speed? He get the hit? Gotta be a little more specific.
me- 6 speed , evo- unknown mods.
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Well depending on your mods and his, he could pull. Evo's are no joke. Even a stock one can run very well.
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I don't really think this is the right section for this(Street Racing and Kill Stories may'be). Also, you didn't say what year your car is.
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Originally Posted by S2K
I don't really think this is the right section for this(Street Racing and Kill Stories may'be). Also, you didn't say what year your car is.
its 99
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Unless something is very wrong with your car or you are at some high altitude a stock evo shouldn't pull you from a roll at all. (In fact I ran a cammed/intake only evo here a while back from a 55mph roll and had several lengths before I shut down at 150mph)

It really depends on the mods he had...
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Starting off in your power band would help. At 50mph, drop second. Hell, I had a 06 civic SI start to pull on me, because I did the same thing. Again, what is your altitude? If at my level (4600), or higher, I could see an EVO inching you out. Try to race him again, this time get in your power band, and see what happens. Also try to find out what mods he has.
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Yeah, starting in third gear at 50mph probably cost you a lot more than half a car. You should have been in second. I would go out and hold out each gear, 1st through 3rd, to about 4800-5000 RPM and take note of the speed you're going at each gear. Much under that speed and you'll want to grab a lower gear, much higher and you'll want to go higher, but you'll see what I'm saying when you do it. Keep it in the powerband, even if the gear is pretty short. It's all about knowing what gear to hit when roll racing. If you bog, the other guy is gonna take off and you'll need a significant hp advantage over him to catch up.
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3rd gear from a roll you should have raped him. Bad. They are only 230WHP in stock form and have no top end power at all.

Either he was heavily modded or something is wrong with your car.
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yea def should of been in 2 gear... he was probly modded. did it sound stock or what? def should get some more info when you race cars, just so you can know
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Originally Posted by DoggyB22
yea def should of been in 2 gear... he was probly modded. did it sound stock or what? def should get some more info when you race cars, just so you can know
i dont think anything is wrong with my car, when i was in 3rd i punched it and went from 50 to 100mph pretty fast, his car wasnt that loud i think stock exhaust all i heard was his turbo, i was at 3rd gear 3300rpm, if i was at 2nd i would have been at lke 4500 i dont like starting out in such high rpm, i thought i was gonna beat him, but considering the price tag i payed 4700, he payed 30k he should win lol, it was only half a car anyway. and if i was in 2nd i would deff have won then proly.
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Originally Posted by ericburt
i dont think anything is wrong with my car, when i was in 3rd i punched it and went from 50 to 100mph pretty fast, his car wasnt that loud i think stock exhaust all i heard was his turbo, i was at 3rd gear 3300rpm, if i was at 2nd i would have been at lke 4500 i dont like starting out in such high rpm, i thought i was gonna beat him, but considering the price tag i payed 4700, he payed 30k he should win lol, it was only half a car anyway. and if i was in 2nd i would deff have won then proly.
Who cares how much he paid? His car is 9-10 years newer than yours... what do you expect?
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you started out in 3rd gear at 3300 rpm

that shouldn't even be considered racing

im sure if you would have started in 2nd the race would have ended much more in your favor

with the mods i have done to my LT1 it runs very close with unmodded ls1 cars and i have pulled EVO's on top at highway speeds on more than one occasion
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Originally Posted by 1994Z28Lt1
you started out in 3rd gear at 3300 rpm

that shouldn't even be considered racing

im sure if you would have started in 2nd the race would have ended much more in your favor

with the mods i have done to my LT1 it runs very close with unmodded ls1 cars and i have pulled EVO's on top at highway speeds on more than one occasion
x2.... anything under 60mph and 2nd gear is a go.... Im a pansy though... I don't like downshifting to 2nd (though I could) above 60mph.... (2nd ends at 75mph)
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Originally Posted by ericburt
i dont think anything is wrong with my car, when i was in 3rd i punched it and went from 50 to 100mph pretty fast, his car wasnt that loud i think stock exhaust all i heard was his turbo, i was at 3rd gear 3300rpm, if i was at 2nd i would have been at lke 4500 i dont like starting out in such high rpm, i thought i was gonna beat him, but considering the price tag i payed 4700, he payed 30k he should win lol, it was only half a car anyway. and if i was in 2nd i would deff have won then proly.
3300....ouch. You should absolutely have been in second gear. You actually would have been in the PERFECT spot to start in second gear being in the mid/high 4000 range in a stock LS1. That race would have been all you without question right from the start if you had gone for second instead of third.
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x2.... anything under 60mph and 2nd gear is a go.... Im a pansy though... I don't like downshifting to 2nd (though I could) above 60mph.... (2nd ends at 75mph)
Wanna hear something crazy? With my 4.10s and GTO trans, I can't downshift to second unless I'm going 45 or under. But yeah, stock LS1 Fbody should be second up to 60 without issue. That definitely lost the OP the race.
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Originally Posted by ericburt
but considering the price tag i payed 4700.
Used LS1's are going for that cheap now? Looks like it's time to get rid of the Evo and build me a turbo V8
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Originally Posted by ericburt
i dont like starting out in such high rpm
well then this won't be the last time you get

its not hurting your car, if you're worried about having to shift so soon then just get a short throw shifter and call it a day.
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Originally Posted by PewterScreaminMach
Wanna hear something crazy? With my 4.10s and GTO trans, I can't downshift to second unless I'm going 45 or under. But yeah, stock LS1 Fbody should be second up to 60 without issue. That definitely lost the OP the race.
That's nuts!! That close ratio trans is a sweet setup though... would love to take a few laps of road america with that setup.




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