tasilver

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Torque multiplier by what, final gears? Differernt gears different problems, you are defeating your own argument.

Two cars equal hp and trans with differnet gears. The 4.11 will run quicker off the line than the 3.42. The 3.42 will have a higher mph limit (not faster) and the 4.11 will have a lower mph limit when all of the gear is ran out. The 4.11 will get to its max mph much quicker than the 3.42.

Yes gears do make a difference in how quick a car is with all else equal.

OP thanks for the vid.

Jon5212

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The difference with my car with the 4.10's is I can stay in my powerband better, I shift at 6800 however I run out of gears fast. Most times I take it to the top of 4th, but I don't like trying to pull in 5th but can with no problem. My car runs like a raped ape above 3K rpm.

jebuzws6

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damn badass race... cant believe you hung with him so close must have been a real small cam

LS1>*

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I'm down...My only chance would be if you have the kind of traction issues you had last time you were out

I'm planning on a cam, LT's, and a custom tune the beginning of next year...If we don't get you out this year before the weather turns to **** then next year will be interesting.

LS1>*

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You must be sharp as a marble...

I got a very small jump because I was the one doing the honking...They were timed evenly but obviously I know when I'm pushing the horn for the 3rd time and he has to wait to here it...SMALL JUMP

He kept his TCS on which prevented him from spinning badly...That assisted him...I spun a bit as I took off as well, but not enough to make a big stink over.

I was at a 50whp disadvantage and only lost by 1 CL...It would appear to me that gears made a big difference...

LS1>*

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I'm assuming I gained 11whp/10wtq between the lid, gutted ram air, and t-stat....

Obviously don't know for sure....

I put down 334whp/350wtq without them....

The car pulls a lot harder in the higher rpms now that the ram air has been gutted so I know I freed up some peak hp by just doing that

lilbuddy1587

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Obviously....

This is why you won. A cammed car, with stock gears, starting in 2nd gear @ 35mph = dead spot.....

So how did the gears help exactly?

Edit- Just for reference, when I was cammed with stock gears I would keep my car in 1st gear for any kind of roll race under 50mph.

LS1>*

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Read all the posts in the thread before you post...

The same thought has already been brought up and the response has been made that the Trans Am was in the powerband enough to spin a bit and have the TCS kick in...

I honestly never confirmed with Nick if he was in 1st or 2nd...I just assumed 2nd...

Either way, this thread is 4 pages in and your point has already been mentioned...

Obviously gears helped me...If they do nothing then they are a pointless mod.

I've posted other threads that you've responded to with retarded comments or **** that has already been discussed...

Go be a tool elsewhere.

JayplaySS

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You would be in 1st for a 40mph roll? That trans must love ya.

Good kill LS1>

LS1>*

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Wasn't really a kill since I lost

but thanks

JayplaySS

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Oops. Better luck next time.

lilbuddy1587

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I did thanks. The same thought has been brought up, I acknowledge that but guess what? It's my opinion and obviously theres a few others that feel the same way.


I wasn't trying to make a point. I never said gears do not help and are a worthless mod. I just dont agree with you saying that the gears, in this situation, helped or made a difference. Remember, the race was done on "your terms". So... its bound to have skewed results.
No thanks, I'll "tool" around a littler longer.


Yes sir, would you like to see?

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/4...nd-2_23436.htm

All rolls were 40ish mph and the 3 way with the bike was a 50mph roll, disregard what the video says, just listen to the short burst(s) and quick shift to 2nd.

Cammed, full exhaust, DR's, lid and tune. Trans didn't mind but the clutch sure did after a few runs (SPEC 3)

Marc 85Z28

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When you figure out the difference between 'here' and 'hear' only then can you insult the intelligence of another.

And I'm sure the TCS helped him. Don't you know cars with traction issues go faster with traction control on...

PewterScreaminMach

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Nice runs. Way to keep up with way less power.

LS1>*

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I apologize for my one grammatical error...

Typing 60 WPM can occasionally cause some errors...

The other car prefers to race with TCS on...My statement is that he obviously wasn't too far out of his power band because he spun a bit and the TCS had to kick in momentarily...

JayplaySS

iTrader: (15)

Exactly

black blur

You obviously aren't understanding what I'm trying to say. If you have different final drive ratios you CAN'T be in the same gear at the same RPM at the same speed. And the ratios inside the tranny have 10 times the importance of the final drive ratio, in regards to acceleration.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Saying the whole driveline relies on the final drive is like saying the whole driveline relies on the rear U-Joint. Just because it is a link in the chain doesn't mean its all important.

And you obviously haven't had ANY experience with gear ratios. The ENTIRE PURPOSE of the transmission is to reduce engine speed from one gear to the next. Just because a final drive makes every gear shorter doesn't necessarily mean you go faster. You still depend on the engine to make power. And how much power your engine is making depends on how many RPMs it is at. And guess what determines what RPMs you are at? The gear ratios inside your transmission.

The relationships between torque, horsepower, gear ratios, and acceleration are to complicated to try to explain over the net. I guess if you don't understand them I can't help you.

DevilDougWS6

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dude, you are wrong. well you are right that it is difficult to type **** on here id rather explain it to you but YOUR LITTLE ignorant brain thinks that I dont know what im talking about. i have PLENTY of experience with automobiles.

you OBVIOUSLY arent understanding what I was saying. The entire speed of the vehicle "THEORETICALLY" relies on the final drive. I know how complicated they are, its just like everything else, they work together as a system. and you can change different elements in that system to make it more efficient. if they dont work together then they fail, its a fact of life. ever play a team sport before? if you dont work as a team you fail. same things applies to everything.

you keep contradicting yourself and making new posts changing your point of view after i proved you wrong. first you say that the gears in the transmission have 10 times mroe importance than the final drive....THEN you say just because its one link in the chain doesnt mean its all important. THATS how I know you dont know what you are talking about.

and no one else agrees with you. sorry i dont need help understanding something that i already absolutely know.

no **** the transmission gears reduce engine speed, and the final gear ratio determines the ACTUAL speed of the engine and wheel rotation, along with other factors such as tire size, tire material, friction from the road, etc etc etc.

there is alot more involved with REAL physics and how the real world actually works than just numbers punched into a computer.

Daredevil_TA

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jesus christ i was thinking the exact same thing--and yes James I was in 2nd gear-I don't remember what rpms i was at but ya I decided to leave the TCS on because I didn't want to risk sliding into you're car (as I stated earlier in this thread) the tradeoff is when it kicks in it cuts you're throttle for a second or 2 so you have to play a little bit of catch up, I really learned this the hard way when I raced that TT g35. It sucks but its better than crashing your car.

Daredevil_TA

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yes it is--but you don't always need a huge cam for a fast car-look at PewterScreaminMach --he's running 11's and puts down very similar numbers to my car.