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Old 02-22-2009, 12:33 AM
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Question When to replace Tie Rods ?

Tittle says all. I never done it and I got 83K
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Get them changed out.
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Go get a set of moog tie rod ends. Mark where you took the old ones off. Install the new ones. Then have it aligned. That way it will be close enough so you can drive safely anywhere to have it aligned.

Mine is nice and straight.. havent got an alignment yet LOL
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I have 70K miles on my car....Replaced them last week. NOW, if the snow would just stop, I could put the car back on the road!



I put in a "rag joint" eliminator also.
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Originally Posted by leadfoot4
I have 70K miles on my car....Replaced them last week. NOW, if the snow would just stop, I could put the car back on the road!



I put in a "rag joint" eliminator also.

What is that eliminator thing you talk about ?
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jack the front of the car up and grab each front tire/wheel at the 9 and 3oclock positions of the tire and shake. if u feel any play, u need tie rod ends
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Originally Posted by SS DNA
What is that eliminator thing you talk about ?

On the lower steering shaft, there is a device called a "rag joint" that basically divides the steering shaft into two components. This "rag joint" is a piece of laiminated rubber, of sorts, and acts as a shock absorber, to eliminate vibration from the steering gear being transmitted up to the steering wheel.

The down side to the rag joint is two-fold. First, there is a certain amount of "flex" in this piece, which takes some of the linearity out of the steering. More importantly, however, is that over time, the rubber can dry out and deteriorate, causing a lot of slop in the steering. My wife owned a C-3 Corvette, and the joint in her car rotted due to old age.

Do a search of "Unbalanced Engineering". They make the eliminator.
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Originally Posted by SS DNA
What is that eliminator thing you talk about ?
If you have a 2002 you do not have a rag joint. In fact if you have an LS1 F Body or V6 from '98 and up, you do not have a rag joint.
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Originally Posted by 9000th01ss
If you have a 2002 you do not have a rag joint. In fact if you have an LS1 F Body or V6 from '98 and up, you do not have a rag joint.
I do on my 88 k5 though
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Originally Posted by Joshiedoom
I do on my 88 k5 though
Ok, well I just replaced the one on my '92 C3500 dually two months ago.
Whats it have to do with a 2002 camaro.
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And back to the original topic. Whats the point of changing tie rod ends that aren't worn out enough to have play in them?
Is that like an OCD thing where you change all the lightbulbs in everything you own because they might blow out?

Henry Ford once said he'll give cars away if he's the only company that can sell replacement parts for them.
It's threads like this that make that sound like a great idea.
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Originally Posted by 9000th01ss
And back to the original topic. Whats the point of changing tie rod ends that aren't worn out enough to have play in them?
Is that like an OCD thing where you change all the lightbulbs in everything you own because they might blow out?

Henry Ford once said he'll give cars away if he's the only company that can sell replacement parts for them.
It's threads like this that make that sound like a great idea.
It all depends on how you define "play". I took off my 70,000 mile tie rod ends. Did the ball socket fall out of the housing? No... Was I EASILY able to rotate and/or move the stud in an angular fashion without any sort of drag or resistance? Yes.... Was it dangerously loose? Unsure....

I took the new Moog replacement part from the box. Was I able to easily rotate or move the stud in an angular direction? No! Was this an expensive part? No ($30). Given the fact that this car usually travels 60-65 MPH, and somethies 100+MPH, is my health and the security of my vehicle worth $60, plus a front end alignment that gets done every couple of years anyway, worth it to me? ABSOLUTELY!


(Actually, I'm a little behind schedule on this, as I replaced the ball joints and control arm bushings about 20,000 miles ago...)

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Moog is better than stock, knowing that I might just swap to Moogs and leave them on after 80k miles.
Do those have grease fittings?
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Yes....
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Originally Posted by leadfoot4
Yes....
Are you a Moog salesman Now I might check mine, they're at 93k.
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Originally Posted by 9000th01ss
Are you a Moog salesman Now I might check mine, they're at 93k.
Nope. I just like my "high performance" car to deliver exactly that...high performance.




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The proper way to check the ball joints and tie rod ends, etc. is take a very large pair of Channel Lock pliers and grab the bottom, where the grease fitting should be or is after removing it, and the top, where the threads are and squeeze and release. If there is more than 1/8th inch of play, replace them. A 1/16th is OK. They can move fairly free and not be bad. GM ball joints and tie rods are know to frequently go over 100,000 miles. Moog is the best you can buy. Car Quest sells Moog joints under their name, but you have to ask for them. If you shake things and they are loose, they have been bad for a while. You must check the part itself to find if it's bad or not.
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Originally Posted by 382ssz28
The proper way to check the ball joints and tie rod ends, etc. is take a very large pair of Channel Lock pliers and grab the bottom, where the grease fitting should be or is after removing it, and the top, where the threads are and squeeze and release. If there is more than 1/8th inch of play, replace them. A 1/16th is OK. They can move fairly free and not be bad. GM ball joints and tie rods are know to frequently go over 100,000 miles. Moog is the best you can buy. Car Quest sells Moog joints under their name, but you have to ask for them. If you shake things and they are loose, they have been bad for a while. You must check the part itself to find if it's bad or not.
IMO at over 150k you need to break down and do all the little things. I just bought all new moog up front. They are a ton nicer than stock. Still got a lot to buy...



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