swaying problem
04-07-2009, 02:42 PM
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hmmm...
For handling purposes I have heard that replacing the LCA's isn't really necessary unless you're doing full track use, and if that's the case then rod-ended LCA's would be the way to go but I don't remember why...Rod ended LCA's cause much more road noise so most folks don't go for them.
That and yeah, if you got sticky tires and if it's real cold and your tires aren't heated up properly then you'll experience sliding as well.
For handling purposes I have heard that replacing the LCA's isn't really necessary unless you're doing full track use, and if that's the case then rod-ended LCA's would be the way to go but I don't remember why...Rod ended LCA's cause much more road noise so most folks don't go for them.
That and yeah, if you got sticky tires and if it's real cold and your tires aren't heated up properly then you'll experience sliding as well.
04-07-2009, 02:47 PM
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Well, monroes does not equate to a great handling shock. Monroes are basically an OEM replacement to the POS deCarbons, and really, they're not a good handling shock either.
Factory-wise, the 4th-gen is a pretty good handler, not a GREAT handler. You basically replaced your factory shocks with another rendition of a factory shock.
04-07-2009, 03:14 PM
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The reason why I'm saying that is how your working on your engine mods, looks to me you want a 1/4 miler BEAST, so having a rather large rear swaybar will definitely help with launching but will cause your rear end to be real squirrely(read LOOSE!) if you're going to hit the turns aggressively.
With handling on f-bodies, it's either/or...you either set up your suspension for the 1/4 or set it up for the twisties, if you want to compromise then that's exactly what you get, an f-body with a compromised suspension setup.
04-07-2009, 03:27 PM
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Monroes will wear out too and be as bad if not worse than the stock shocks. Don't focus so much on the "im not a corner carver" thing, but more on controlling your suspension the way you want it to. In my opinion Koni's make the best option for daily driving as well as corner carving.
04-07-2009, 03:33 PM
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i have:
stock shocks
stock springs
weld in frame connectors
136,000 miles
my wheels and tires are michelan pilots on c6 wheels
my lca's and panhard are umi with rod end and poly bushing
the cornering im talking about is on like an off ramp or a ramp that merges 2 highways together. i know it isnt too sharp of a corner to be going fast on cause my work van does it with ease at the same mph lol. so its not that im taking the turn too fast, like the other poster said it feals like im hitting a patch of ice here and there. i had a 85 iroc that i could take the curve in at 90-100 mph with no problems but at 65-70 with my 98 it does this. thanks for helping guys, shawn
p.s..... it isnt body roll. its something else......... to me it almost seems like the panhard isnt there!
stock shocks
stock springs
weld in frame connectors
136,000 miles
my wheels and tires are michelan pilots on c6 wheels
my lca's and panhard are umi with rod end and poly bushing
the cornering im talking about is on like an off ramp or a ramp that merges 2 highways together. i know it isnt too sharp of a corner to be going fast on cause my work van does it with ease at the same mph lol. so its not that im taking the turn too fast, like the other poster said it feals like im hitting a patch of ice here and there. i had a 85 iroc that i could take the curve in at 90-100 mph with no problems but at 65-70 with my 98 it does this. thanks for helping guys, shawn
p.s..... it isnt body roll. its something else......... to me it almost seems like the panhard isnt there!
It's a thought.
04-07-2009, 04:19 PM
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all the bushings have been replaced. the only thing that is old back there are the shocks but man i just cant see how the shocks would cause the car to sway. if the car had wheel hop while cornering then i could justify the shocks being the problem but it doesnt wheel hop, just sways back and forth. i sent a pm to sam strano hoping he would confirm the shock answer but he must be busy.......
04-07-2009, 05:08 PM
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all the bushings have been replaced. the only thing that is old back there are the shocks but man i just cant see how the shocks would cause the car to sway. if the car had wheel hop while cornering then i could justify the shocks being the problem but it doesnt wheel hop, just sways back and forth. i sent a pm to sam strano hoping he would confirm the shock answer but he must be busy.......
Their suspension was designed to be nice and soft, to give the driver/passenger a nice floaty feel, so any uneven roads will be absorbed by the suspension. They had soft springs and shocks with longer travel and softer rebound, you know, to get the suspension to absorb all that bumpiness from the roads.
Now, picture pushing one of those cars in a corner and you would feel like the car is going to lose control, like it's floating all over the place, pretty scary if you're pushing it real hard.
Even if you put fat sticky tires on the above Caddy/Buick, in a fast turn, the rear end will get very light cuz the suspension(read shocks) is not firm enough to push the tires back on the road quickly, which causes the rear tires to lose grip momentarily and at the same time the rear end will continue to lighten and again the same results.
This will make you "feel" like the body is swaying, which in actuality your body is getting too light causing the body to shift...your whole rear end is shifting because your tires are not gripping the road because there is too much play with the suspension.
I tried to explain this as basic as possible, hopefully I was able to explain this so it could be understood.
I would suggest to CALL Sam Strano as opposed to PM'ing him, get his number from his website.
04-08-2009, 09:51 PM
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I just changed the sway bar bushings at 77k and links in front and back today. my swaying problem is 90% gone. I didn't think things through when I lowered the car and put drag shocks on the rear...oops, so i'll change those out with some new ones and some LCA relocator brackets. Then all will be well in Camaroland.
04-09-2009, 07:02 AM
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Maybe the wheel bearings are worn out? My 95 T-Bird did that when they went out but it was more like I was turning the wheel back and forth at highway speeds.
Nobody has answered the other question. I have Stranos and Konis and I still have the swaying problem. The endlinks aren't broken and everything is tight. If he gets better shocks he will most likely still have the problem because I do. My problem is I can barely take a corner with LIGHT acceleration without the car sliding sideways. My rears are on full soft maybe I should try almost full hard? I don't want him to spend alot of money on shocks if he just wants the swaying to go away. Maybe it's a hub or bearing on the wheel....?
Nobody has answered the other question. I have Stranos and Konis and I still have the swaying problem. The endlinks aren't broken and everything is tight. If he gets better shocks he will most likely still have the problem because I do. My problem is I can barely take a corner with LIGHT acceleration without the car sliding sideways. My rears are on full soft maybe I should try almost full hard? I don't want him to spend alot of money on shocks if he just wants the swaying to go away. Maybe it's a hub or bearing on the wheel....?
04-09-2009, 11:38 AM
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Big sticky tires will pull the car more through ruts. 19's make things worse due to the lack of sidewall. But I can't fathom how anyone can think 136k mile shocks aren't a problem.
Shocks damp the body motions, you seem to have a big problem with body motions. FWIW.
Shocks damp the body motions, you seem to have a big problem with body motions. FWIW.
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04-09-2009, 11:56 AM
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I actually had a rod/rod phb and it I guess it didn't do it as bad but the noise sounded like a the rear end was rattling loose. I can't compare my old phb because I live in a different area and just started noticing it. Maybe the tires make a difference for me but trying not to hijack the thread. I really think he should check the bearings.
04-09-2009, 12:15 PM
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Well it's because the axle is bolted to the car via the LCA's. When you have boxed or tubular (i.e. not flexible arms), and connections like stiff poly bushings that do not want to flex, the axle is bound up to a degree. The axle cannot pivot freely in rotation, so when you drop say your right rear tire into a rut, instead of the axle pivoting the body is drug down too.
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