Oh C'mon ppl this is pure marketing... Stagg is a new brand, as good as any other brand out there.
Before it release to the market, they must pass rigorous quality tests as well as billstein koni etc etc
And of course in order to attract new customers, they are offering affordable prices... AS SIMPLE AS THAT... So dont be paranoic !!!

An example could be 6 years ago VIZIO Tv's they were cheaper and unkown, and of course everybody was especulating about its quality. I got mine several years ago and still working like new just like my other "expensive Samsungs Tvs" and now they have credibility and a reasonable prices like its competitors.

I got my set of 4 stagg shocks a month ago and guess what, they are great !

 

Yes but the Problem is coming inhere and asking a question like that is....all anyone here wants to sell is Koni and Bilstein anything other than that and you will get Beat up. I buy Monroe made in America by Americans and they have a Lifetime warranty. Never have to pay for another pair unless you destroy them in a wreck or something. All I ever got was Bull **** over MY Choices.I have bought a Ton of things off Ebay and thought I'll just take the chance. I have not been beat yet!! I remember coming here talking about buying a RevMax converter and people gave me an endless line of **** over my choice, I spoke to revmax about it. A few weeks later Rev was a sponsor here and Now oh everyone loves them! I have found for ME to come here and ask a reasonable question like "has anyone here ever tried......whatever brand....A ton of people will tell me how bad they are but no one will just answer the question...period. So do not feel bad!! Now I have decided to just go back to reading and not posting so much because even some of the mods will treat you with disrespect. To progress in life I need to have an open mind and I don't find much of that here. I myself would never spend $800 on a set of Koni and i would not have Bilstien if you gave them to me.

 

No you don't. You get BS from many, including myself, for trying to push the fact that Monroe's are like the exact same thing as Bilstiens

If you just said you put them on your car and think the ride quality is great, I guarantee you'd be off the hook

 

Learn to read Little Boy, I NEVER said the were the SAME as Bilstiens!

 

Your posts do make it seem like you are trying to convince people that the Monroes perform as good as the bilsteins. I don't care at all. I've used Monroes in the past and knew when I bought them that there was room for major improvement in the shock department. I didn't need a performance shock tho, I just needed to replace 150,000+ mile blown out decarbons quickly and cheaply.

 

Idk why everyone is so up in arms over wanting american made so bad. Our cars are from St Therese, Quebec, CANADA. Monroes are still more expensive than the Staggs and worse IMO. The Staggs feel much better

 

I gotta say this is pretty f-ing funny now. I guess we've found the one thing in the world that is cheap and great both. Doesn't work that way fella's, look around. You get what you pay for in this world, that's how it works.

I expect that you all will also not wear Nike, or New Balance, or Adidas, or whatever and start wearing the $20 department store shoes now too, right? I've said it before and I'll say it again. Harbor Freight exists to sell cheap tools. They obviously sell lots. And I've even had some of their stuff when I was in desperate need or was only going to use it once...... But shocks, you don't use once. You use them every day. I guess it's smart to sell cheap shocks particularly for these cars, because the stock ones are so god-damned bad they make any piece of crap you bolt on look pretty good by comparison----and we end up here. Get back to me in a year, or 3.

 

I prefer to buy American made stuff and support the USA. But I won't blindly buy stuff made here just because. If it sucks, it sucks and it's not my job to keep a poor product selling.

At some point reality has to kick in, you need to get what you need to do a job. If it's not offered, or you are willing to settle for what says made in the USA on it, then they should make better stuff.

I've had 2 Camaro's, a Corvette, 2 Mustangs, a lot of trucks, a VW, a BMW, some Nissan's, etc. The saddest part is, the GM stuff have by far the crappiest interiors. Even my Z06 which was more than $75k new (no, I didn't buy it new) is a joke compared to a $24k GTI. That's pathetic. Luckily I wanted the car for other reasons.

 

Ya see that's the problem it doesn't Suck. I've been doing this since 1993 and I have used many different types of shocks and Monroe is a Good shock. You don't like them well fine, thats your choice. tenneco is probably one of the largest maker of shocks in the world, they would not be in that position if they sold garbage. A couple of you guy's here are not the MasterMinds of the world. There are alternatives to Koni and Bilstien, I never said that they were not good and i Never said that Monroe was the SAME. Just get over it, I like the Monroe for my car and so do Many other people or else they would not be in busness, and everyone that does not agree with you is NOT Stupid. You have some knowledge fine good for you, you have an opinion again good for you. You make and sell race car parts, I don't drive a race car. I would even venture out and say that most people that come here don't drive a race car. I'm just voicing my opinion like everyone else and that is Monroe makes a Good shock and they are made in the USA not China or Japan or Germany! You and your band of groupies don't seem to like it, oh well. Ya'll ragged the hell out of me when i bought a Revmax and now that they are a sponsor oh everything is good.

 

Different strokes for different folks, get used to it.

For what I do with my car, the Monroe setup works fine - I am not trying to win a SCCA National Championship. For the people that are trying to do that, Monroe or Stagg isnt going to cut it your gonna have to get with Sam.

IMO people think they are going to go SCCA racing...and then never do it. Seems like everyone over estimates their intentions and underestimates their ego.

These threads are damn good entertainment though.

 

I do too I just think people take it to the extreme. Am I comparing these to Koni? Not at all, but for the price I'll try them. Like you said I need them to do a job, and right now anything would be than the blown out stockers. I don't know how these will do and I hope to post good results. I just think that its ridiculous that everyone knocks anything imported. But these same people push using German oil for example and like I said, drive a Canadian made car.

 

This is all a giant failure of communication. I think the majority of us agree with each other but it isn't quite clicking in some people's heads. Either that or it's winter and we're bored so what better to do than to start some bullshit on a message forum for a mid day work break?

 

I think the biggest issue is the fact that these are performance cars and many of us don't understand why someone would put non-performance parts (or parts that hurt performance), especially if they are so against spending money, why not just leave the stock junk on there? And when we say "junk", we say it from a performance stand point. Do the stock decarbon shocks "work"? Yes(kinda). Do they work from a performance stand point? Hell no. And im talking strictly from a street spirited driving view, not even "racing". Same applies to something like the Sensatracs. Which leads to another question, why spend the extra money on a 350+hp performance car over a "regular car" if you are not going to use it for performance driving?

Truth, some people need to realize that we want our performance cars to be stable, ride well and handle well on the street or track, so we will go with shocks that will offer that, and avoid ones that don't. Just like we don't put skinnies on all four corners, we would hurt performance even if they are cheap.

Heres the wrong way of thinking IMO.
You certainly don't have to be racing at all to want better ride, handling and stability. Konis are street shocks (and were offered from the factory on 1LE cars) that offer great dampening.
I bought my Konis with no intention of racing, I was just tired of my performance car being unstable at highway speeds, the issue was lack of dampening, something a shock like the sensatracs wouldn't help. Konis are still to this day (after "full" suspension mods, and a 383 stroker) hands down the best thing Ive done to this car, period (and not just from a performance stand point, but a comfort standpoint). The car is simply glued to the road, ridiculously stable, yet buttery BMW smooth (when on stock springs, with lowering springs its more like a Z06, firmer but still not jarring), I can adjust how I want my car to ride, feel, handle, behave, and have lifetime warranty, all for ~$700 (price at the time). No other mod offered more of a positive change to the car, let alone for the price.
So today, for around $800 you make your Fbody handle increadable and feel like a newer $60,000+ BMW, thats a steal...

You got that right, you see a lot of people with little experience get pretty butt hurt...

 

I agree with everything you said, but the problem for me is that no one here has tried these out other than 2 people and so far they are happy with them. Will I get Konis one day, absolutely. But for me right now getting shocks, springs, LCAs and brackets, panhard bar for $450 was a no brainer. Your analogy makes sense, but in a way it would be like saying putting in a small cam is pointless when you can go big and make more power.

 

Some of you guy's are just so full of bull ****. You are NEVER going toget an F-body to feel like a $60,000 BMW. Stop smokin that **** boy. lMAO. My new shocks are wonderful. I bought everything at Advance Front shocks (came with spring seat and Insulator) not like those cheap *** bilstien where you have to use your old ****. 2 shocks , 2 strut mounts, 2 spring insulators and 2 KYB strut boots added the right code and it all cost me $257.05 shipped. My ride is not STIFF, it is smooth as New. Some of you guy's are just Brainwashed into one thing and you want to bullshit everybody else with your closed minded junk. Well too bad for you. I'm here to let people know that there are Other Good Options.

 

Well, no you won't.. not with Monroe's on it.

Every year there are two or three guys that pop up that think they know everything, that will never miss a chance to tell the world how they are right, with not a lick of evidence to support their claims. I guess you are the newest one.

Autocross is all about handling. And with the right parts (all of which are bolt on's) the car will run with some very, very high performance cars. You can say "ain't gonna happen" all you want, doesn't make you right. The proof is in pudding. No need for a I said, you said argument. One of us has shown it, one of use hasn't.

 

I wasn't really referring to the Staggs, just the monroes.

I don't see that. A "bigger" cam will thump/shake more, and cause more racket, also could move the power band higher in the RPMs, all that can be a down side to some, the Konis on the other hand have no downsides.

Clearly you haven't been on konis... But I can't blame you for thinking that way, I would have never thought shocks would make that much of a difference if I hadn't experienced it first hand with my car, it was certainly a pleasant surprise.

lol... Oh god forbid, you have to reuse things you already have, but you get a vastly better shock than the decarbons or the Sensatracs...

I think this is where you are getting lost, "new" (decarbon equipped) Fbody's rode like an old truck, certainly not something you would describe as "smooth". Then again if you haven't been in anything better to compare it to I guess I could see how you would think that.
I bought my car with 36,000 miles (so the decarbons were not on their last leg) on it and replaced the **** decarbon shocks with konis at around 40K to 45K miles, and there was no comparison, light years better than "new", reminded me of an E46 M3 or E39 M5, super solid, tight and firm, but never jarring and at the same time silky smooth, and Im one of many that describe it that way. I drove around that day in disbelief that shocks made that big of a change.
I think this may be irony at its best.
In case you missed it the last time i posted it for you, here are two comparisons from two different people that tried Sensatracs vs stock, bilstien and koni:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/15933811-post40.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/15937592-post48.html
Coincidentally the same results, hmm...

There are, but Sensatracs are not one of them.

 

See you guy's just will not respect someone elses opinion if it is not the same as yours. I guess now every time someone on the forum asks for an opinion on shocks I will give mine and you will just continue on with the post trying to prove me wrong. Good Luck with that! First you need to read what i write then you need to apparently have someone explain it to you. Well i am done with this one. You can carry on with this for a few more days if it makes you happy. and the deal with Koni I NEVER knocked them, I just stated i will NEVER pay that much money for a pair of shocks it is just Not Worth IT to ME, don't ya get that? and... the other POINT is MADE IN AMERICA BY AMERICANS. I like the Shocks and I LOVE my Country and the People in it! Period end of point. Have a Nice day.

 

We are just stopping the spread of bad info. It's a fact that Monroe sucks, even dealers of them say they do. It's ridiculous to say you would have Monroe over Bilstein just because they are made in America. Guess you better give up your car too because it was made by French Canadians in Quebec right? The Staggs haven't been used enough to be praised or bashed. Bilsteins and Konis have proven themselves, that's why everyone supports them

 

"Rigorous tests"..... According to who?

"Got my Stagg shocks a month ago and they're great"......A) let's see how you feel 10,000 miles from now; and B) great compared to what? A set of worn out DeCarbons?


I've read through this topic, and it's really hiliarious, but I'll throw in my $0.02 worth, just for laughs.

DeCarbon shocks... I remember reading an article back in late 1992, as the 4th gens were being introduced. A GM spokesman was quoted as saying that they worked really hard to get the suspension tuning dialed in, and the Dcarbon shocks were the result. Yeah, I suppose if you stayed with the OE, 4x4 ride height of the OE springs, they were terrific.

Monroe Shocks....GREAT shocks, if all you want is a basic, inexpensive, daily driver replacement, for the "less than great" OE DeCarbons.

KYB and Bilstein shocks....Very good, medium priced, performance oriented shocks, especially if you're also installing lowering springs, which many people here do.

Koni Shocks....Excellent, higher priced shocks, but as the old saying goes, "you get what you pay for"......


Y'all have a nice day, and "happy motoring".