Suggetions for Autocross Brake Redo this Winter.
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Suggetions for Autocross Brake Redo this Winter.
Honestly looking for the best Price I can do for redoing my breaks this winter(98 Z28). Planning on running STU next year.
I've been thinking of doing NAPA Ultra Premiums with HPS Pads. Any other pad brands I should research and look into? I was also looking at the some of the packages Sam offers as well.
Any fellow autocrossing have any suggestions? I'm willing to pay little more for a longer lasting product combo.
Should I spend the cash on braided brake lines, would it be well worth it? What fluid do you guys recommend?
Thanks Rob
I've been thinking of doing NAPA Ultra Premiums with HPS Pads. Any other pad brands I should research and look into? I was also looking at the some of the packages Sam offers as well.
Any fellow autocrossing have any suggestions? I'm willing to pay little more for a longer lasting product combo.
Should I spend the cash on braided brake lines, would it be well worth it? What fluid do you guys recommend?
Thanks Rob
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I am doing the CTS-V mod. I call it a mod because I don't consider it an upgrade (no personal experience, but I don't see why you would need better than what we have). The stock setup is more than sufficient, and likely better balanced. I am doing the mod for appearance purposes.
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I'm happy to help, I do think there are better options these days than the Brembo blanks (which have not actually been Brembo's in a long time).
I have inexpensive rotors that weigh less. I have the ATE rotors which weigh the same but are coated where the Brembo's are not. I have Racing Brake rotors (same weight as ATE, etc), but as coated and the fronts are directionally vaned and use a tougher alloy meant for more track oriented use.
I of course have pads, lines, fluids of various types and a few kits with those things all included. Or we can mix and match.
I have inexpensive rotors that weigh less. I have the ATE rotors which weigh the same but are coated where the Brembo's are not. I have Racing Brake rotors (same weight as ATE, etc), but as coated and the fronts are directionally vaned and use a tougher alloy meant for more track oriented use.
I of course have pads, lines, fluids of various types and a few kits with those things all included. Or we can mix and match.
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So will Racing Brake rotors increase the life of my pads since they expel heat better?
Are HPS pads the best choice for a solid breaking for autocross and decent life?
I really only drive the car 2-3k miles a year.
What about the HP Plus pads, aren't they made for more racing intentions and better with all the heat cycling?
Are HPS pads the best choice for a solid breaking for autocross and decent life?
I really only drive the car 2-3k miles a year.
What about the HP Plus pads, aren't they made for more racing intentions and better with all the heat cycling?
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So will Racing Brake rotors increase the life of my pads since they expel heat better?
Are HPS pads the best choice for a solid breaking for autocross and decent life?
I really only drive the car 2-3k miles a year.
What about the HP Plus pads, aren't they made for more racing intentions and better with all the heat cycling?
Are HPS pads the best choice for a solid breaking for autocross and decent life?
I really only drive the car 2-3k miles a year.
What about the HP Plus pads, aren't they made for more racing intentions and better with all the heat cycling?
On thing I've also found with slotted rotors is that they get less grooved up.... By that I mean the radial grooves that sort of make the rotor look like an old record as the slots allow dirt a place to go instead of getting embedded into the brake pad and scoring the rotor.
HP Plus pads are not race pads. They are street pads--really aggressive street pads. But they are not part of Hawk's Motorsports line.
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Ceramics... I had some on a 2007 Mustang, and hated them. In fact I had a hard time getting the ABS to engage on that car from 70 mph *with* -2 camber! I don't have a friction coefficient on those.
HPS have a friction level of about .42, HP Plus have a friction level just shy of .50 (which is pretty freaking high and they have what I'd call race level braking but they aren't up to the task for heat generated on a track. Also they are pretty abrupt, very on/off and not nearly as easy to modulate as HPS's.
HPS have a friction level of about .42, HP Plus have a friction level just shy of .50 (which is pretty freaking high and they have what I'd call race level braking but they aren't up to the task for heat generated on a track. Also they are pretty abrupt, very on/off and not nearly as easy to modulate as HPS's.
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Advantage... they replace old more flexible and more expandable stock lines, stock lines don't last forever--the rubber cracks, the fiberglass braid inside expands, and pedal feel suffers.
No real disadvantage other than cost.
No real disadvantage other than cost.
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Stainless steel braided brake lines were one of my first modifications -- love the improved pedal feel -- more positive feedback with the brake pedal, and supposedly less stopping distance (I have not measured this). Also, the ABS feels better engaged and more precise.
One negative is in the unlikely case they pop, it would be more of a dramatic event than the stock lines.
Take your time installing them, and be sure to use the proper tools -- the connections are somewhat delicate.
One negative is in the unlikely case they pop, it would be more of a dramatic event than the stock lines.
Take your time installing them, and be sure to use the proper tools -- the connections are somewhat delicate.
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Thanks for the good information guys. Always enjoy the very technical answers Sam, like how you get right to the point.
I still want to do some more research on rotors and see what my best bang for the buck will be.
Should I even consider your Best Brake rotor, or will those not hold up?
A lot of options and a lot of different price ranges.
I still want to do some more research on rotors and see what my best bang for the buck will be.
Should I even consider your Best Brake rotor, or will those not hold up?
A lot of options and a lot of different price ranges.
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Thanks for the good information guys. Always enjoy the very technical answers Sam, like how you get right to the point.
I still want to do some more research on rotors and see what my best bang for the buck will be.
Should I even consider your Best Brake rotor, or will those not hold up?
A lot of options and a lot of different price ranges.
I still want to do some more research on rotors and see what my best bang for the buck will be.
Should I even consider your Best Brake rotor, or will those not hold up?
A lot of options and a lot of different price ranges.
Depends on your definition of bang for the buck. To many, that simply means "cheap". If you are truly comparing price vs. the details, then right now at the sale prices the Racing Brake rotors are the best bang. $375 when they had been $520/set? No way would I do ATE's vs these at the current pricing (just telling you what I think).
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Stainless steel braided brake lines were one of my first modifications
One negative is in the unlikely case they pop, it would be more of a dramatic event than the stock lines.
Take your time installing them, and be sure to use the proper tools -- the connections are somewhat delicate.
One negative is in the unlikely case they pop, it would be more of a dramatic event than the stock lines.
Take your time installing them, and be sure to use the proper tools -- the connections are somewhat delicate.
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The Best rotors will stop the car as hard as anything else of the same size. Rotors are pretty similar in the fact they are metal and get acted upon/clamped by the brake pads. There is some difference in metalurgy, which has more to do with longevity, and durability than stopping power. Also there are differences in vaning, some cool better. And there are differences in coatings and the faces (blank, slotted, elliptical slots even drilled-though I don't recommend those).
Depends on your definition of bang for the buck. To many, that simply means "cheap". If you are truly comparing price vs. the details, then right now at the sale prices the Racing Brake rotors are the best bang. $375 when they had been $520/set? No way would I do ATE's vs these at the current pricing (just telling you what I think).
Depends on your definition of bang for the buck. To many, that simply means "cheap". If you are truly comparing price vs. the details, then right now at the sale prices the Racing Brake rotors are the best bang. $375 when they had been $520/set? No way would I do ATE's vs these at the current pricing (just telling you what I think).
Like I said I'm willing to pay more for a much better product, especially if they will promote a longer lasting Pad.
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Until I have no more of those in stock. I have about 5 sets left, started with 20.
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Well, I would advise all to do a little homework regardless, for safety's sake:
http://www.nsxprime.com/wiki/Brake_Lines
Out of curiosity, have you ever had stock or SS lines fail on you? I would be curious to hear your experiences...
http://www.nsxprime.com/wiki/Brake_Lines
Out of curiosity, have you ever had stock or SS lines fail on you? I would be curious to hear your experiences...