cali_bear2003

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Funny....I believe that your springs are made by Vogtland, but painted white instead of the traditional Vogtland color. Do your Strano Springs carry a design patent? If not, there is no infringement on your spring design making the BMR branded springs not a Knock-Off of another spring. On a side note, may I ask, why a white colored spring?

StangTamer

iTrader: (6)

I just installed BMR but only because the Strano's have been on backorder it seems like forever, but thats what happens when you have a quality part. As far as ride goes, mine is actually better than before. I;m gonna say probably because my shocks are about shot and the stock springs are so soft. But with the stiffer spring i'm not hitting bump stops everywhere i go

99SSJarhead

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He drove a white car.. why not a white spring? And he didn't radically redesign the spring, he merely came up with a ratio that he felt best complemented our cars. He did such a good job setting the ratio that another bigger company made a similar spring with nearly all the same aspects to it. Sounds like a knock off to me.

Element

iTrader: (5)

Spring rate, and the R&D behind it. Sam didn't ask Vogtland to make a generic "lowering/handling" spring for him - he track-tested and picked the specific rates he wanted.

"Knock-off" refers to that same exact spring rate, but I'm not going to get into the sponsor-vs-sponsor thing.

Sam Strano

iTrader: (41)

You drive a GM car, is it a Chevette?

My springs are made by Vogtland *to my specs* which are different than their production springs by quite a lot at both ends. The only think similar is the material. See, this is where being honest sucks. I never hid the fact I have them make my springs for me, and that allows people who are easily swayed to be told, well.... lies, by others that mine are just relabeled Vogtland production springs. It's pretty sad really. Maybe I shouldn't be so skeptical, maybe it's just ignorance that causes the misinformation to be spread and not actually intent. No matter what, it's incorrect information.

It's kind of hard to patent a coil-spring, in general they are all pretty similar.... but suddenly one became a lot more similar than every before. I'm sure Mercedes Benz isn't happy with the Chinese cars that look like theirs, but what can you do? Doesn't make those Chinese cars MB's, does it?

And why white? Well my car is white.... but really it had to do with folks being able to easily identify my springs. Red, Blue, Black are all common, and i wasn't doing yellow or orange, or purple, etc. Since you can't see the freaking things I didn't think it was was a big deal.

ChrisRZ28

Camaroking1996

Dude just because his springs are made by a different company but to his exact specs doesn't mean they aren't his springs. He races and wins with his springs and has very many pleased and happy customers. So if it was me choosing I would go with Strano.

DoggyB22

iTrader: (2)

Old thread I know... But I was wondering if your springs came in a different color & also what shocks do you guys suggest???

mac62989

iTrader: (1)

He clearly stated they come in white so their not like every other spring, not something you can choose. Shouldnt matter anyway since they arent seen. With the big sale on Konis going on until the end of May, why not buy the best when their 20% off..

Sam Strano

iTrader: (41)

My springs are only white. You can paint them whatever you like. I recommend Koni's first for serious performance, and Bilstein's if you want something decent and saving a few bucks. But you do get what you pay for with shocks in terms of how good the control is.

Rare96LT1Formula

iTrader: (32)

Sam, would Koni's be overkill on a car that may never see the track?

z28bryan

iTrader: (7)

Absolutely not, but that's just my opinion given my current setup, road conditions, and ride comfort preferences.

They can't be overkill compared to any other aftermarket spring out there. The springrates are not extremely stiff. Probably around avg for what's available.

Sam Strano

iTrader: (41)

I doubt 30% of the folks that have Koni's, and who love them, have ever done a track day or an autocross. The fact is they damp mass and motion and those things exist on the road too.

pewter2002

iTrader: (4)

^What Sam said. I had the SLP Bilsteins and matching springs. Good combo for cruising, dd whatever. I loved the upgrade from stock but felt the damping was still a little soft for my taste. The Konis have way more control over the Camaros mass. These are matched with Strano springs incidentally.
There is far less float over bumps, the car is more responsive overall. Plus using your Hex key to tailor the ride is nice too...

Sam Strano

iTrader: (41)

pewter2002, thank you very much for that post. That is the kind of information I love to see from folks. For the rest, basically think of a Bilstein as a Koni set full soft. Most folks with Koni's don't opt to run them at full soft--and they certainly have that option.

HoLLo

iTrader: (17)

I would go with BMR springs for a simple fact. Whether the public or Sam agrees with me or not, it is my opinion and the feeling I get. Strano is very knowledgable with suspension geometry but he has been nothing but rude in many instances to many people including myself, one of those high horse kind of attitudes like a young Lieutenant. Customer service is a deal maker or breaker for me. I'll spend a more money with a company that sounds like they want my business.

I'm sure his springs are a great product, but I won't buy them. I love my Hotchkis springs. BMR is a great company all around. From an actual car performance standpoint, it seems you can't go wrong either way.

Take your negative reviews in the same attitude you take your positives.

Guitar

iTrader: (9)

From what I've seen, Sam, like everyone else, will defend himself when he's "attacked", which is very much the same thing I'd do. Considering it is his company, he can run it the way he likes, and personally I'd rather have someone who is straight up rather than trying to be nice and still dick me around. If you know ****, you know ****...and from many instances I've seen, even if they aren't customers, he'll try to help people get what is best for their personal setups if he has the time.

However, I personally was set on going with his springs and the Koni setup before this sale. Now that the sale is on, I'm having a hard time doing it for the simple fact of the BMR springs being free with purchase.

BMR Tech2

iTrader: (5)

Thank you guys for the kind words about our company and products.

stroked383HSR

iTrader: (12)

I purchased my springs from sam...but i agree 100%....weather he knows his **** or not...and weather he can run his company how he wants or not...he still has a Mr know it all attitude with me and (us) as stupid and no nothing people.....

so kiss his *** all you want........you wont get **** for it....LOL


just my opinion.

Guitar

iTrader: (9)

Who's trying to get something? I already stated I'm not going with his package pretty much...there's a point after you've answered the same question 100 times where it starts to get old...and he knows more than anybody else posting regularly here from what I've seen regarding suspension, so...