J&M 3-Point Subframe Connectors, Double Diamond Style (1993-2002 F-BODY) ARE BACK!!!
04-13-2012, 10:32 AM
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I've been saying this since 2005. No, Yes and Maybe. I don't know how your true duals have been put together. I can't say. Only you can. I've also said this since 2005. If you're going to do something out of the norm in terms of exhaust, do the suspension first like torque arm and subframes and build your exhaust around it.
04-13-2012, 11:06 AM
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Not bad weight. You would think the flat center piece would be heavier. What gauge of steel are you using for all your pieces. You don't mention that either like others do. Seems like you are lacking info that others provide.
I read all the comments and you didn't mention if they were mild steel or chrome moly. I don't see it saying so on the sites either. Which are they? Do they come in both?
Not a bad price, half of UMI and SLP and and look similar but yours are open ended. Why?
04-13-2012, 11:11 AM
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You mentioned shipped weight of 33lbs. Is this with packaging and everything or the bars alone?
Not bad weight. You would think the flat center piece would be heavier. What gauge of steel are you using for all your pieces. You don't mention that either like others do. Seems like you are lacking info that others provide.
I read all the comments and you didn't mention if they were mild steel or chrome moly. I don't see it saying so on the sites either. Which are they? Do they come in both?
Not a bad price, half of UMI and SLP and and look similar but yours are open ended. Why?
Not bad weight. You would think the flat center piece would be heavier. What gauge of steel are you using for all your pieces. You don't mention that either like others do. Seems like you are lacking info that others provide.
I read all the comments and you didn't mention if they were mild steel or chrome moly. I don't see it saying so on the sites either. Which are they? Do they come in both?
Not a bad price, half of UMI and SLP and and look similar but yours are open ended. Why?
And you've haven't answered our question yet "Let me know your area of expertise on suspension please". I mean if you're going to say one is better than the other, then explain it to us.
04-13-2012, 11:11 AM
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I've been saying this since 2005. No, Yes and Maybe. I don't know how your true duals have been put together. I can't say. Only you can. I've also said this since 2005. If you're going to do something out of the norm in terms of exhaust, do the suspension first like torque arm and subframes and build your exhaust around it.
I think it's always better to install exhaust at the end or one of the last pieces if doing some full suspension setups.
04-13-2012, 11:18 AM
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They are mild steel. They do not come in CM. And yes that is packaged shipped weight. These have been on the market before UMI and SLP also, so they've been out on the market quite a while. J&M also private labels a lot of suspension pieces you see floating around from other companies. And what is wrong with the design again? I've yet to find one complaint on these yet.
And you've haven't answered our question yet "Let me know your area of expertise on suspension please". I mean if you're going to say one is better than the other, then explain it to us.
And you've haven't answered our question yet "Let me know your area of expertise on suspension please". I mean if you're going to say one is better than the other, then explain it to us.
I know how to figure out and point out the better in products being a mechanical designer and fabricator and knowing the car by owning a few and working on many and seeing outcome and results. You have a good product, better than some, and props for good price.
04-13-2012, 11:22 AM
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We are a distributor not the mfg. From a design point you would have to ask the mfg on WHY? Maybe they feel the design is good enough? Ask them. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to answer.
That is good to hear. You could probably point out what you think could be improved upon with the mfg as they have a say in design changes not us. We just know it is a good product, customers are happy and they've been in the market quite a while longer than the other brands. Personally I have been a designer also but in a different field and unless it's NECESSARY, don't try to fix what's not broken.
04-13-2012, 11:24 AM
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Again, we are the distributor, not the mfg, but we have suggested it but from a cost stand point and the demographic owner-types of the F-Body nowadays and the age of these cars, not many people will pay $100 more for a 5-6 pound weight savings.
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We are a distributor not the mfg. From a design point you would have to ask the mfg on WHY? Maybe they feel the design is good enough? Ask them. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to answer.
That is good to hear. You could probably point out what you think could be improved upon with the mfg as they have a say in design changes not us. We just know it is a good product, customers are happy and they've been in the market quite a while longer than the other brands. Personally I have been a designer also but in a different field and unless it's NECESSARY, don't try to fix what's not broken.
That is good to hear. You could probably point out what you think could be improved upon with the mfg as they have a say in design changes not us. We just know it is a good product, customers are happy and they've been in the market quite a while longer than the other brands. Personally I have been a designer also but in a different field and unless it's NECESSARY, don't try to fix what's not broken.
Yes that's true about if not broken, don't fix it or mess with it. Things can be updated and improved though and made better, just how things happen in life. That's how we get better and better products. I'm just curious to know why left it open and did the certain designs in the shape they did and what size materials they used ect..
This has been a little informative, good talking with you.
04-13-2012, 11:28 AM
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Some wont, some will, depends on what they are trying to do with their car and how they drive it and more. I know it's not that much of a difference but when you consider racing it in some classes, every little bit adds up and counts.
04-17-2012, 07:20 PM
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just to give people a heads up on these J&M 3pt SFCs, i installed them this weekend and i had to do a bit of modifying on them. on the passenger side on the rear where it bolts to the LCA bracket, the hole the drilled was off by almost half an inch and on the driverside i had to completely move a brace that was going to hit my y pipe no way around it at all. and on the driver side where the front part welds to the subframe, there are the fuel lines which are in the way also. you either have to move the fuel lines or notch out the SFC like i did. i just put a big post up about it, check it out guys.
04-17-2012, 07:51 PM
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just to give people a heads up on these J&M 3pt SFCs, i installed them this weekend and i had to do a bit of modifying on them. on the passenger side on the rear where it bolts to the LCA bracket, the hole the drilled was off by almost half an inch and on the driverside i had to completely move a brace that was going to hit my y pipe no way around it at all. and on the driver side where the front part welds to the subframe, there are the fuel lines which are in the way also. you either have to move the fuel lines or notch out the SFC like i did. i just put a big post up about it, check it out guys.
2. Is your TSP ORY an older design? Where it's in five pieces?
Like I said, this is the first I've heard anyone having this much of a headache with these SFCs and we've sold quite a bit. Lemme know and congrats on the write up, I read it. Informative!
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1. I wonder if it was a fluke you got a set with the bolt hole off because this is the first I've heard.
2. Is your TSP ORY an older design? Where it's in five pieces?
Like I said, this is the first I've heard anyone having this much of a headache with these SFCs and we've sold quite a bit. Lemme know and congrats on the write up, I read it. Informative!
2. Is your TSP ORY an older design? Where it's in five pieces?
Like I said, this is the first I've heard anyone having this much of a headache with these SFCs and we've sold quite a bit. Lemme know and congrats on the write up, I read it. Informative!
04-17-2012, 07:59 PM
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You mean PaceSetter? If so, those Y-pipes are pretty much hit and miss, they have always been off and inconsistent in production (like the J&M SFCs LOL). You can do a search where a lot of people post that and I think that may have been the issue. Thanks again, good write up and informative and glad those SFCs worked out.
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You mean PaceSetter? If so, those Y-pipes are pretty much hit and miss, they have always been off and inconsistent in production (like the J&M SFCs LOL). You can do a search where a lot of people post that and I think that may have been the issue. Thanks again, good write up and informative and glad those SFCs worked out.