Konis SUCK! High performance, but junk Quality
06-19-2012, 06:57 PM
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I spent $~700 (on sale, and even when not on sale they are not $1000) on my konis and that was about 6-7 years ago, and I won't need to replace them likely ever - but even if i did I wouldn't hesitate to buy them again, nothing for less can even remotely compare.
06-19-2012, 08:14 PM
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You can buy a same year/same mile/same condition cavalier for MUCH less than an LS1 Camaro, so why bother paying more for a Camaro, right?
I spent $~700 (on sale, and even when not on sale they are not $1000) on my konis and that was about 6-7 years ago, and I won't need to replace them likely ever - but even if i did I wouldn't hesitate to buy them again, nothing for less can even remotely compare.
I spent $~700 (on sale, and even when not on sale they are not $1000) on my konis and that was about 6-7 years ago, and I won't need to replace them likely ever - but even if i did I wouldn't hesitate to buy them again, nothing for less can even remotely compare.
Its like this....
OPTION A: Shitty shocks that last
OPTION B: Awesome shocks that rot more rapidly than a dead deer on the side of the highway in July
OPTION C: Awesome shocks with a respectable level of corrosion resistance
I want option C Dammit! If option A costs $80...I ought to be able to get C for $1000...shouldnt I ?
On a related note...my one ray of hope is in noticing that this Koni shock sale seems more a permanent price drop than an actual sale which tells me the rest of the shock buying community isnt as tolerant of this type of corrosions BS as some of the folks on this Forum are....hence the price drop. just a theory
06-20-2012, 04:37 PM
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I see what you guys are saying but you're missing the point I was trying to make. Why cant we have a decent performing shock that ALSO has an acceptable level of durability??? Is that too much to ask? Can it last ATLEAST as long as everything else on the car? My frikin brake pads wear more slowly than those damn shocks.
Its like this....
OPTION A: Shitty shocks that last
OPTION B: Awesome shocks that rot more rapidly than a dead deer on the side of the highway in July
OPTION C: Awesome shocks with a respectable level of corrosion resistance
OPTION A: Shitty shocks that last
OPTION B: Awesome shocks that rot more rapidly than a dead deer on the side of the highway in July
OPTION C: Awesome shocks with a respectable level of corrosion resistance
06-20-2012, 05:53 PM
#84
[QUOTE=JD_AMG;16438975]I completely know what you are saying, that quote was not directed at you at all, its for our town drunk - LS1121.
WOW that's pretty Good, town drunk.....sorry gave up drinking a long time ago lol. but it shows me the character of jokers like you peddeling your wares on the youth. I would say that most all of the things you sell I don't need. ALL of my suspension is OEM and has worked fine since I bought the car back in 1997. Except for changing to Poly bushings which have been fantastic for my needs. Thanx Summit Racing. but I do Love reading the posts of people that put all of the aftermarket stuff on their car and then wonder why car doesn't ride as Nice as it used to. Be honest MOST people don't need that stuff. Maybe if I were Big daddy or Sox and Martin I would have use for it but a car used as a daily driver.......come on get real.
WOW that's pretty Good, town drunk.....sorry gave up drinking a long time ago lol. but it shows me the character of jokers like you peddeling your wares on the youth. I would say that most all of the things you sell I don't need. ALL of my suspension is OEM and has worked fine since I bought the car back in 1997. Except for changing to Poly bushings which have been fantastic for my needs. Thanx Summit Racing. but I do Love reading the posts of people that put all of the aftermarket stuff on their car and then wonder why car doesn't ride as Nice as it used to. Be honest MOST people don't need that stuff. Maybe if I were Big daddy or Sox and Martin I would have use for it but a car used as a daily driver.......come on get real.
06-20-2012, 06:10 PM
#85
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Stop. Just do yourself a favor and stop. Every time you post you dig yourself a little deeper.
This particular individual that you repeatedly try to insult with those little barbs....
DOES NOT SELL ANYTHING
IS NOT A VENDOR HERE
HAS NEVER SOLD ANYTHING
HAS NEVER BEEN A VENDOR HERE
1) Read
2) Comprehend
3) Think
4) THEN post
06-21-2012, 11:30 AM
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Laughable this guy is. He doesn't need X, Y, and Z... but the car would fall apart if it wasn't for the stuff he obviously must need: ".799 Heads, LS6 Intake, 5308 Cam, Linginfelter Oil Pump, LS7 Lifters, LS2 Timing Chain, SLP Lid and Red FRC's. this is my Z06. RevMax 2800 Stall, Hyperflex Suspension Bushings and Motor Mounts, Drilled and Slotted Rotors." People that live in glass houses should not throw stones. You forgot your precious Monroe Sensatrac's on your list.
Most anyone who's had poly bushings knows the "caster" bushing in the stock arm in polyurethane is a terrible design and prone to failure. Either yours has and you don't know it because you just putt around, or it hasn't because you just putt around. I can list 20 folks that had them fail (both Energy and Prothane) within a month... some in less than a week.
Most anyone who's had poly bushings knows the "caster" bushing in the stock arm in polyurethane is a terrible design and prone to failure. Either yours has and you don't know it because you just putt around, or it hasn't because you just putt around. I can list 20 folks that had them fail (both Energy and Prothane) within a month... some in less than a week.
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13 SCCA Pro Solo Nationals Championships
2023 UMI King of the Mountain Champion
06-21-2012, 11:54 AM
#87
Most anyone who's had poly bushings knows the "caster" bushing in the stock arm in polyurethane is a terrible design and prone to failure. Either yours has and you don't know it because you just putt around, or it hasn't because you just putt around. I can list 20 folks that had them fail (both Energy and Prothane) within a month... some in less than a week.
Regarding the poly caster bushing in their original lower a-arm design:
It was a poor bushing end choice on our end. The poly bushing binds as the suspension tries to travel. Because of the bind the weakest point of the arm breaks, which is our threaded bushing end. We no longer offer(sp) this style like this. So in reality the A-Arm itself didn't snap but the bushing end broke, still an issue and we have corrected it.
To fix it we replaced it with a Roto-Joint or rod end, both which allow the suspension to travel freely with little friction. We are sending the customer two Roto-Joints to replace the poly ends.
Sorry to see this happen. Thank you,
Ryan
To fix it we replaced it with a Roto-Joint or rod end, both which allow the suspension to travel freely with little friction. We are sending the customer two Roto-Joints to replace the poly ends.
Sorry to see this happen. Thank you,
Ryan
06-21-2012, 12:16 PM
#89
bought new 307,000 miles + self service for the total lif of this car so far except for the work Tick performance did. and by the way...you did a GREAT JOB!! Johnathan. I was rebuilding engines way before most of were probably even born. You guy's make me laugh. Ya just can't stand it when someone doesn't agree with you. I come here and post my expierience and knowledge which is good,i don't know everything that is why I am here. Then you goy's don't like what I say so you resort to calling me names. tsk tsk.
06-21-2012, 12:31 PM
#90
OK so Monroe is made by Tenneco, here is an interesting read. I got this off the internet thru a simple search. Pretty Big Company to be selling jusk as you experts would say.
Tenneco is a multi-national corporation with 80 manufacturing facilities in 24 countries located on 6 continents, with major centers of operations in North America, Europe, Australia and Asia. There were 22,000 employees in 2012. The North American manufacturing facilities are located in Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Tennessee and Ohio; the corporate headquarters is located in Lake Forest, Illinois, European facilities in Belgium, Poland, Czech Republic, Germany, UK, France and Spain, with headquarters located in Belgium, Asian facilities include in India, China, Singapore and Japan, Australian Facilities are in Sydney, Morea(NZ) and Clovelly park and African Facility includes South Africa's Port Elizabeth.
Tenneco owns the following brands:
Monroe[10]
Walker[11]
Rancho[12]
DynoMax[13]
Clevite Elastomers[14]
Gillet[15]
Fonos[16]
Fric-Rot[17]
Kinetic[18]
Thrush[19]
DNX[20]
Marzocchi[21]
Axios[22]
Lukey[23]
These are sold to over 500 after-market customers including retailers and wholesalers and to more than 25 OEMs, including Audi, Chrysler, Daimler, Enfield, Fiat, Ford Motor Company, General Motors, Honda, Navistar International, Jaguar Cars, Mahindra & Mahindra, Maruti Suzuki, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Porsche, PSA Peugeot Citroën, Renault, Škoda, Suzuki, Tata, Toyota, TVS, Volkswagen Group, Volvo, E-Z-GO, and CLUB CAR.
Tenneco is a multi-national corporation with 80 manufacturing facilities in 24 countries located on 6 continents, with major centers of operations in North America, Europe, Australia and Asia. There were 22,000 employees in 2012. The North American manufacturing facilities are located in Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Tennessee and Ohio; the corporate headquarters is located in Lake Forest, Illinois, European facilities in Belgium, Poland, Czech Republic, Germany, UK, France and Spain, with headquarters located in Belgium, Asian facilities include in India, China, Singapore and Japan, Australian Facilities are in Sydney, Morea(NZ) and Clovelly park and African Facility includes South Africa's Port Elizabeth.
Tenneco owns the following brands:
Monroe[10]
Walker[11]
Rancho[12]
DynoMax[13]
Clevite Elastomers[14]
Gillet[15]
Fonos[16]
Fric-Rot[17]
Kinetic[18]
Thrush[19]
DNX[20]
Marzocchi[21]
Axios[22]
Lukey[23]
These are sold to over 500 after-market customers including retailers and wholesalers and to more than 25 OEMs, including Audi, Chrysler, Daimler, Enfield, Fiat, Ford Motor Company, General Motors, Honda, Navistar International, Jaguar Cars, Mahindra & Mahindra, Maruti Suzuki, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Porsche, PSA Peugeot Citroën, Renault, Škoda, Suzuki, Tata, Toyota, TVS, Volkswagen Group, Volvo, E-Z-GO, and CLUB CAR.
06-21-2012, 01:10 PM
#91
LS1121,
Everybody has their own set of priorities, and yours obviously isn't to maximize the handling potential of your car, I respect that (I might not agree with it, but that's your choice and I respect that).
So instead of belittling everyone who has a different opinion then yours, just respect their opinion and MOVE ON, or at least be constructive! Remember they have to live with their choices, not you.
Have a great day!
Everybody has their own set of priorities, and yours obviously isn't to maximize the handling potential of your car, I respect that (I might not agree with it, but that's your choice and I respect that).
So instead of belittling everyone who has a different opinion then yours, just respect their opinion and MOVE ON, or at least be constructive! Remember they have to live with their choices, not you.
Have a great day!
06-21-2012, 01:14 PM
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OK so Monroe is made by Tenneco, here is an interesting read. I got this off the internet thru a simple search. Pretty Big Company to be selling jusk as you experts would say.
Tenneco is a multi-national corporation with 80 manufacturing facilities in 24 countries located on 6 continents, with major centers of operations in North America, Europe, Australia and Asia. There were 22,000 employees in 2012. The North American manufacturing facilities are located in Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Tennessee and Ohio; the corporate headquarters is located in Lake Forest, Illinois, European facilities in Belgium, Poland, Czech Republic, Germany, UK, France and Spain, with headquarters located in Belgium, Asian facilities include in India, China, Singapore and Japan, Australian Facilities are in Sydney, Morea(NZ) and Clovelly park and African Facility includes South Africa's Port Elizabeth.
Tenneco owns the following brands:
Monroe[10]
Walker[11]
Rancho[12]
DynoMax[13]
Clevite Elastomers[14]
Gillet[15]
Fonos[16]
Fric-Rot[17]
Kinetic[18]
Thrush[19]
DNX[20]
Marzocchi[21]
Axios[22]
Lukey[23]
These are sold to over 500 after-market customers including retailers and wholesalers and to more than 25 OEMs, including Audi, Chrysler, Daimler, Enfield, Fiat, Ford Motor Company, General Motors, Honda, Navistar International, Jaguar Cars, Mahindra & Mahindra, Maruti Suzuki, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Porsche, PSA Peugeot Citroën, Renault, Škoda, Suzuki, Tata, Toyota, TVS, Volkswagen Group, Volvo, E-Z-GO, and CLUB CAR.
Tenneco is a multi-national corporation with 80 manufacturing facilities in 24 countries located on 6 continents, with major centers of operations in North America, Europe, Australia and Asia. There were 22,000 employees in 2012. The North American manufacturing facilities are located in Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Tennessee and Ohio; the corporate headquarters is located in Lake Forest, Illinois, European facilities in Belgium, Poland, Czech Republic, Germany, UK, France and Spain, with headquarters located in Belgium, Asian facilities include in India, China, Singapore and Japan, Australian Facilities are in Sydney, Morea(NZ) and Clovelly park and African Facility includes South Africa's Port Elizabeth.
Tenneco owns the following brands:
Monroe[10]
Walker[11]
Rancho[12]
DynoMax[13]
Clevite Elastomers[14]
Gillet[15]
Fonos[16]
Fric-Rot[17]
Kinetic[18]
Thrush[19]
DNX[20]
Marzocchi[21]
Axios[22]
Lukey[23]
These are sold to over 500 after-market customers including retailers and wholesalers and to more than 25 OEMs, including Audi, Chrysler, Daimler, Enfield, Fiat, Ford Motor Company, General Motors, Honda, Navistar International, Jaguar Cars, Mahindra & Mahindra, Maruti Suzuki, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Porsche, PSA Peugeot Citroën, Renault, Škoda, Suzuki, Tata, Toyota, TVS, Volkswagen Group, Volvo, E-Z-GO, and CLUB CAR.
06-21-2012, 01:25 PM
#93
WOW. You are so smart LS1121, you can google. I am fully aware that Tenneco owns Monroe. Monroe, Rancho, Walker, all super high end products (not). I'm sure this will fly right over you head the same as it has the last 15 times. I do use some Monroe products. I've had Dynomax exhausts (and had some fall apart too). You continually want to yell and scream while completely not listening to the fact that I have in fact used product from those companies. Why don't I all the time? Because they are not always appropriate.
Now, maybe I'm god-damned nuts, but I prefer to use the best product for my needs or application than just use something because I've used another similar one before and it worked ok. Monroe Reflex, pretty good. Monroe Sensatrac, f**king suck. Sorry, they do. Wonder why they make both for some vehicles, and in some cases only one or the other. I mean you seem to think they are all the same.
That said, since you seem to think that name dropping is cool, look up ITT. That's who owns Koni. And Thyssen-Krupp (they own Bilstein).
Now, maybe I'm god-damned nuts, but I prefer to use the best product for my needs or application than just use something because I've used another similar one before and it worked ok. Monroe Reflex, pretty good. Monroe Sensatrac, f**king suck. Sorry, they do. Wonder why they make both for some vehicles, and in some cases only one or the other. I mean you seem to think they are all the same.
That said, since you seem to think that name dropping is cool, look up ITT. That's who owns Koni. And Thyssen-Krupp (they own Bilstein).
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Results matter. Talk is cheap. We are miles beyond the success anyone else has had with the 4th gens, and C5, C6, C7 Corvettes,
10 SCCA Solo National Championships, 2008 Driver of they Year, 2012 Driver of Eminence
13 SCCA Pro Solo Nationals Championships
2023 UMI King of the Mountain Champion
06-21-2012, 03:59 PM
#95
I bought my DA's new from Lingenfelter in '96, and I swapped them from my '95 T/A to my '98 Z28 when I traded up in 9/98. Here are some partial photos of the same set of Koni's from a few months ago when I installed different rear sway bar chassis mounts. I don't have any recent photos of the fronts and I'm not pulling them off just to take photos 
I don't particularly care if they are dirty so long as they are working correctly (which has been debatable for awhile due to a hard life); the bottom bushing is a bit cracked but the set of shocks probably has 180-190K miles on them. That sway bar was already rusty when I bought it used from some feller in PA a couple years back
I don't particularly care if they are dirty so long as they are working correctly (which has been debatable for awhile due to a hard life); the bottom bushing is a bit cracked but the set of shocks probably has 180-190K miles on them. That sway bar was already rusty when I bought it used from some feller in PA a couple years back
06-21-2012, 04:49 PM
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As Ironhead said (thank you Ironhead) I do NOT sell anything on here, and never have. I have NO affiliation what so ever with any of the vendors on here. Im just a regular member like you and most others.
ALL of my suspension is OEM and has worked fine since I bought the car back in 1997.
For those of us who want to improve handling/feel/stability, most of the OEM stuff doesn't cut it.
Maybe if I were Big daddy or Sox and Martin I would have use for it but a car used as a daily driver.......come on get real.
06-21-2012, 10:28 PM
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....and yet miraculously UMI, Spohn, BMR, etc all seem to accomplish this monumental 'post-powdercoat-bushing-press-in-feat' routinely. In fact ever seen a product from any of the quality sponsors on this site who powdercoats AFTER bushings are installed? I havent. Its all about pride in work vs cutting corners.
06-22-2012, 04:35 PM
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they work very well IMO and can NEVER rust!
and the stud that goes thru the top mount where all ur rust is can be replaced on QA1 shocks,
plus fully rebiuldable...etc
the list goes on.
I LOVE THESE SHOCKS!!! lol
06-22-2012, 04:48 PM
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QA1's suck for damping. They used to be crappy quality too. The adjusters would break and the shock would leak. If that's the route you wanted to go a set of AFCO's would blow the QA1's out of the water. I hope they have improved since my experience with them.
07-01-2012, 06:16 AM
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Aluminum might not "Rust" but it'll still oxidize.