best SFCS?
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Staging Lane
Joined: Dec 2004
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From: Batavia, IL
do you have pictures of them installed?
i was thinking about ordering these for the bang for the buck, seems cheap..
http://www.foundersperformance.com/1...ctors-weld-in/
and there is a 2 guys locally that will make and install for just under 200..
is it absolutly worth getting a 3 point style setup?
http://www.foundersperformance.com/1...ctors-weld-in/
and there is a 2 guys locally that will make and install for just under 200..
is it absolutly worth getting a 3 point style setup?
Our subframe connectors are very popular because they've been proven under some serious horsepower cars. However, at those levels, most guys have roll bars and cages, so it's hard to gauge how effective they are. It's our street guys that really give them the test because they rely solely on them to stiffen/strengthen their chassis. In those cases, customers always boast about the improved rigidity - which allows the suspension to do its job better and reduces flex on T-top cars. We only suggest weld-in on the fourth-gens because it's the best method to connect two pieces of metal, in our opinion.
- Kevin
- Kevin
I'm not sure if you'd consider this a good test or not...
What if you bolted in a set of SFCs, drove on them for a year or two, and then removed and observed if the bolt holes widened themselves? Can you consider that proof that the chassis is flexing?
What if you bolted in a set of SFCs, drove on them for a year or two, and then removed and observed if the bolt holes widened themselves? Can you consider that proof that the chassis is flexing?
We actually made some bolt-int SFCs and removed them to fix them to a jig for production and every bolt hole was elongated. So we scrapped that plan and have been pushing the "weld-on is the only way" mentality since. There are some applications where the stress point doesn't cause this, but on the 4th Gen it most certainly was the case for our design.
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Staging Lane
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From: Batavia, IL
no offense to BMR, but i went ahead and ordered the founders performance ones..
http://www.foundersperformance.com/1...ctors-weld-in/
$134 shipped to my door. i plan on modifying them a little.. we'll see how the project turns out.
http://www.foundersperformance.com/1...ctors-weld-in/
$134 shipped to my door. i plan on modifying them a little.. we'll see how the project turns out.
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Staging Lane
Joined: Dec 2004
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From: Batavia, IL
got them installed last week, and i must say, the fitment is damn good.
only thing i dont like is they dont encapsulate the LCA mount.. these just weld to the outside panel, i think when i swap my motor, ill fab up a cap that will go over the entire control arm mount.
only thing i dont like is they dont encapsulate the LCA mount.. these just weld to the outside panel, i think when i swap my motor, ill fab up a cap that will go over the entire control arm mount.
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Even if you did encapsulate the LCA mount you still didn't actually connect to the rear subframe. Look at the area around the LCA mount and you will see that the LCA mount(especially the outside edge) is nowhere near the rear frame rail. You accomplished stiffening the LCA bracket and adding 25 pounds to your car.
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Staging Lane
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From: Batavia, IL
although i agree with you, many many people for YEARS have been running the other style connectors without issue.
i personally dont think at most peoples lower power levels > 500hp, it would be an issue. even then when your faster than that.. it should have a cage.
i personally dont think at most peoples lower power levels > 500hp, it would be an issue. even then when your faster than that.. it should have a cage.
Technically you can run without subframe connectors without issue. Having no issues doesn't mean you can't improve something though.
I wouldn't say they do nothing at all, but they don't do as much as a full SFC that actually attaches to the rear subframe.
This is just my analysis of looking at how the underside of the car is put together and looking at what the various SFCs tie in to. I don't have any SFCs on my car yet, although eventually I do plan on getting some MWC SFCs. They just are not a high priority.
This is just my analysis of looking at how the underside of the car is put together and looking at what the various SFCs tie in to. I don't have any SFCs on my car yet, although eventually I do plan on getting some MWC SFCs. They just are not a high priority.
I wouldn't say they do nothing at all, but they don't do as much as a full SFC that actually attaches to the rear subframe.
This is just my analysis of looking at how the underside of the car is put together and looking at what the various SFCs tie in to. I don't have any SFCs on my car yet, although eventually I do plan on getting some MWC SFCs. They just are not a high priority.
This is just my analysis of looking at how the underside of the car is put together and looking at what the various SFCs tie in to. I don't have any SFCs on my car yet, although eventually I do plan on getting some MWC SFCs. They just are not a high priority.
Dang.
