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Old Feb 25, 2018 | 10:23 AM
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Hello all. Going to be replacing front struts soon and I know my front lower control arm bushings/ ball joints are well past their due date. Now I don’t have access to a press, and have heard countless nightmares of just replacing the bushings/ball joints, so going that route isn’t really an option for me. I’m thinking I should just replace the entire control arm but I’m unsure of which ones to get. This is a DD with spirited driving (98 T/A) So I’m asking, what are my options? Which brand or ones should I get? I know tubular is more track Orientated, soooo boxed? Or just some from oriellys? Help a brothe out
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Old Feb 25, 2018 | 12:12 PM
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I've removed/replaced ball joints and control arm bushings on MANY cars. While it isn't all that difficult, a little patience, basic mechanical knowledge, and a good ball joint tool, will get the job done.

If you purchase a good tool, you'll have it for life, and as well as suspension parts, you can also use the tool for R&R of universal joints...I think I bought mine, back in the mid-late 70s. Do you have any knowledgeable friends who could help?
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Just get the replacement ball joints/bushings delivered, then take the arm off the car and bring everything to a local machine shop and have them press it in for you.
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Old Feb 28, 2018 | 06:32 PM
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I recently did all my control arm bushings with poly bushings. Was not hard to do at all. I highly recommend it. I have not done ball joints yet.
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Old Feb 28, 2018 | 10:59 PM
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uh oh, watch the rear bushing on the lower arm. Nothing but trouble with urethane on that one.
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uh oh, watch the rear bushing on the lower arm. Nothing but trouble with urethane on that one.
Can you elaborate a bit? I never researched it, just did them because my control arm literally had a half inch of movement from the bushings being garbage.
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 11:34 AM
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Get the UMI tubular LCA's.
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Originally Posted by nomoneyz
Can you elaborate a bit? I never researched it, just did them because my control arm literally had a half inch of movement from the bushings being garbage.
They fail, usually quickly because urethane is pretty hard and that bushing has to work on two axes and it can't do the one that allows the arm to pivot up and down. It will tear and fail. I had one fail in less than a day on my 2001 car, which is how I learned they were not a horrible idea.

These are the things that people who have been down this road before can help with vs. just buying parts. Don't assume that because something exists that it is automatically better.
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Originally Posted by qweedqwag
Get the UMI tubular LCA's.
aren’t tubular bad for dd?
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Masnart197

aren’t tubular bad for dd?
What would make them bad for DD? I'm sure depending on the type of bushing they have they might be kind of harsh for DDing, but if they are built to withstand track abuse then they are more than capable for street driving.

If you're worried about ride quality then that's a different story. Just get OEM style replacement arms or rubber replacement bushings then.

I have Mevotech control arms from Rock Auto ready to go on my car, which were a stock-style full replacement arm at a decent price. If you search on here there are a lot of negative feelings towards Mevotech, but not a lot of first-hand experience (although Sam Strano did say he had a customer go through 2 ball joints in a short time period on a BMW). I figured I'd still give them a shot and just hold onto my OEM arms in case I need to put new bushings/ball joints in them later. In the box they look like decent quality - they are the "Supreme" line that supposedly have lifetime warranty, and the ball joints have grease nipples, and the dust covers all look sturdy and well attached. Of course looks don't mean much, and I won't be driving the car again until nice spring weather hits in likely April, so I can't really give much info on how they are yet, unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by nomoneyz
Can you elaborate a bit? I never researched it, just did them because my control arm literally had a half inch of movement from the bushings being garbage.
The bushing can not flex so the metal fatigues and fails


Originally Posted by Masnart197
aren’t tubular bad for dd?
No I DD tubular front control arms.
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Old Mar 4, 2018 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by handyandy
What would make them bad for DD? I'm sure depending on the type of bushing they have they might be kind of harsh for DDing, but if they are built to withstand track abuse then they are more than capable for street driving.

If you're worried about ride quality then that's a different story. Just get OEM style replacement arms or rubber replacement bushings then.

I have Mevotech control arms from Rock Auto ready to go on my car, which were a stock-style full replacement arm at a decent price. If you search on here there are a lot of negative feelings towards Mevotech, but not a lot of first-hand experience (although Sam Strano did say he had a customer go through 2 ball joints in a short time period on a BMW). I figured I'd still give them a shot and just hold onto my OEM arms in case I need to put new bushings/ball joints in them later. In the box they look like decent quality - they are the "Supreme" line that supposedly have lifetime warranty, and the ball joints have grease nipples, and the dust covers all look sturdy and well attached. Of course looks don't mean much, and I won't be driving the car again until nice spring weather hits in likely April, so I can't really give much info on how they are yet, unfortunately.
I read on here somewhere that they were. And I am tempted to get the mevotechs but the negative reviews are holding me back,( might get them still though because like you I haven’t seen any first hand reviews) you should report back with some thoughts on them
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Old Mar 4, 2018 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
The bushing can not flex so the metal fatigues and fails




No I DD tubular front control arms.
any recommendations for a guy on a budget?
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I have Mevotech lower front ball joints and they have held up well. The boot on one of them has a small tear, but I think this was my fault for letting the upright rest on it when I was pulling the engine and subframe from the car. They are heavy, and it kind of got away from me before I could tie it up, and fell to the side. The inner mechanics are still tight though, after several years of daily use.
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Originally Posted by nomoneyz
Can you elaborate a bit? I never researched it, just did them because my control arm literally had a half inch of movement from the bushings being garbage.
From what I've read, Moog has addressed this issue by manufacturing a newer style of bushing for that particular application. It appears that they've made a rubber-polyurethane hybrid bushing, that is more durable, like a poly bushing, but has some articulation to it, like an OE rubber bushing.


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What would make them bad for DD? I'm sure depending on the type of bushing they have they might be kind of harsh for DDing, but if they are built to withstand track abuse then they are more than capable for street driving.

Tracks don't have potholes and/or curbs.....things that the OE arms are built to withstand. The heim joints, that many of the aftermarket arms have, DO provide less restrictive movement, as well as less "slop", therefore DO improve handling. However, that also means that on the street, since they have almost zero "give", they transmit more road harshness to the frame of the car, which is not good for the car, and over time, can get really annoying to the driver.
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If you don't want tubular control arms for your DD, I didn't, the UMI boxed arms are really nice and I've been very happy with mine.
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^--- I have the same and agree.
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