How to out handle a WRX???
09-13-2005, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by trackbird
It sounds like your friend is a danger to himself and others. Generally referred to as an idiot, asshat, or assclown (among other terms).
I'd find a new friend. Preferably one with some common sense who won't take a chance of getting you all killed.
You ask, we answer.
I'd find a new friend. Preferably one with some common sense who won't take a chance of getting you all killed.
You ask, we answer.
So True
public roads are not well maintained tracks, what happens when you hit that pothole that just opened up on that corner? or meet the older guy and his wife walking the dog just around the corner? or meet that dumb *** coming the other way in your lane?
seriously, we just had a car load of kids (4 of them) all die in a wreck not 2 miles from my house. going way too fast on a posted 25mph corner. now there's crosses and flowers and makeshift memorials all over that area on the road.
I rode with a freind of mine that drove like this when I was 16-17... I'm goddam lucky I never got killed, and I was goddam stupid for riding with him.
just my 2 cents. stay safe...
09-13-2005, 03:55 PM
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WRX's, STI's, and EVO's will kick your fbody butt on the turns, assuming the driver knows how to drive. As hinted at in a few of the other posts, the driver counts for much more than the car type on an autoX or road course. As far as improving the car, #1 race tires, #2 Koni shocks, #3 weight reduction. Forget about power adders. So take an Evolution driving school, then get 300 lbs off your car and you will be good to go. Then challenge him to an autoX to keep things safe.
I autoX race against ralley cars all the time. I beat them if the driver doesn't know how to drive, but the good drivers beat me. On a long, straight, desert road, none of them can touch me, though!
The last Evo I raced topped out at 140 mph.
I autoX race against ralley cars all the time. I beat them if the driver doesn't know how to drive, but the good drivers beat me. On a long, straight, desert road, none of them can touch me, though!
The last Evo I raced topped out at 140 mph. Last edited by Cal; 09-13-2005 at 04:00 PM.
09-13-2005, 04:14 PM
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So True
public roads are not well maintained tracks, what happens when you hit that pothole that just opened up on that corner? or meet the older guy and his wife walking the dog just around the corner? or meet that dumb *** coming the other way in your lane?
seriously, we just had a car load of kids (4 of them) all die in a wreck not 2 miles from my house. going way too fast on a posted 25mph corner. now there's crosses and flowers and makeshift memorials all over that area on the road.
I rode with a freind of mine that drove like this when I was 16-17... I'm goddam lucky I never got killed, and I was goddam stupid for riding with him.
just my 2 cents. stay safe...
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I have lost 6 friends in the past 4 years due to car accidents.......2 of which were very close to me and I know how to stay safe, the driver of this car, a good friend of mine as well was being very stupid and trying to show off and he knows that he won't do that again after all three of us passengers butchered him for it...
09-13-2005, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by trackbird
Actually, we've had a tough time with the ralley cars in autocrosses. A fully sorted one has been hard to beat. So, I'm not so sure that it's a guarenteed win at an autocross course. We've been trying to get them moved out of our classes because it's not fair on slick courses or in the rain. If you do beat one in the dry, you'll be sunk as soon as it rains.
Exhibit A:
http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=2535&
Though they are not impossible to beat.
http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=1338&
And one last one:
http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=4634&
You'll notice that we've been trying very hard to get these cars out of our class. They really are "that fast" when prepped properly. Stock for stock, it's more fair, but after optimizing each car, the WRX/EVO crowd gain some serious advantages and have been giving us some fits.
Exhibit A:
http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=2535&
Though they are not impossible to beat.
http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=1338&
And one last one:
http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=4634&
You'll notice that we've been trying very hard to get these cars out of our class. They really are "that fast" when prepped properly. Stock for stock, it's more fair, but after optimizing each car, the WRX/EVO crowd gain some serious advantages and have been giving us some fits.
09-13-2005, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BrandonDrecksage
a hyundi accent prepped properly will beat cars in an auto-x.....point being..his car stock..with shitty tires....and turbo lag will make him loose if this other guy can drive...i don't know how many auto-xs are done in the rain..but its probably a stupid idea for an fbody to particpate in that....specially against a car with AWD.
We don't exactly order rain. But if it rains, we race. We usually lose, but we race.
We have an evo that is mostly stock that shows up at our local events. He is running his street tires (which are pretty sticky, but not true race rubber) and has been beating prepped ESP cars on the local level (several events he hit a cone and that's what kept him out of first place, the 2 second penalty....which is a ton of time on an autocross course). These cars are not the understeering, turbo laggy things you give them credit for. They can be very fast, even dead stock, around an autocross course. I'd love to be able to tell you that "Fbodies rule and nothing can beat one", but the reality is that a well driven AWD car can be a real handful for us. Don't discount one so quickly. That's all I'm saying.
09-13-2005, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by trackbird
We don't exactly order rain. But if it rains, we race. We usually lose, but we race.
We have an evo that is mostly stock that shows up at our local events. He is running his street tires (which are pretty sticky, but not true race rubber) and has been beating prepped ESP cars on the local level (several events he hit a cone and that's what kept him out of first place, the 2 second penalty....which is a ton of time on an autocross course). These cars are not the understeering, turbo laggy things you give them credit for. They can be very fast, even dead stock, around an autocross course. I'd love to be able to tell you that "Fbodies rule and nothing can beat one", but the reality is that a well driven AWD car can be a real handful for us. Don't discount one so quickly. That's all I'm saying.
We have an evo that is mostly stock that shows up at our local events. He is running his street tires (which are pretty sticky, but not true race rubber) and has been beating prepped ESP cars on the local level (several events he hit a cone and that's what kept him out of first place, the 2 second penalty....which is a ton of time on an autocross course). These cars are not the understeering, turbo laggy things you give them credit for. They can be very fast, even dead stock, around an autocross course. I'd love to be able to tell you that "Fbodies rule and nothing can beat one", but the reality is that a well driven AWD car can be a real handful for us. Don't discount one so quickly. That's all I'm saying.
and when did i say fbodies can't be beat? throw an lotus elise in there and try to see everyone keep up...or a john works cooper S...mr2s....NEONS...an rx7(specially stripped down with a nice single turbo and fat slicks)...there are lots of cars out there...your assuming to much about me (I've owned an rx7, a focus, a sentra spec V(with a good driver...very good auto x car specially with the stock lsd...jsut trun the wheel and punch the gas.)). the only car i said was crap is a stock wrx.
Last edited by BrandonDrecksage; 09-13-2005 at 10:48 PM.
09-14-2005, 07:12 AM
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I was thinking STI, not a stock WRX. The stock WRX is less of a threat (stock for stock) and the Evo is about the same as the STI. I don't really think of a "base" WRX anymore because nobody seems to buy them (we usually are concerned about the STI version, it's the one we see). So, I guess I should remember that there is still a regular WRX.
09-14-2005, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by trackbird
I was thinking STI, not a stock WRX. The stock WRX is less of a threat (stock for stock) and the Evo is about the same as the STI. I don't really think of a "base" WRX anymore because nobody seems to buy them (we usually are concerned about the STI version, it's the one we see). So, I guess I should remember that there is still a regular WRX.
09-15-2005, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ls1tech.fan
Take a look:
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~hartley/iroc/z28vs911.html
This gives an indication of a stock F-bodys handling.
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~hartley/iroc/z28vs911.html
This gives an indication of a stock F-bodys handling.
Just for kicks, post it on a Porsche site and see what happens. lol
09-15-2005, 07:11 PM
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I was in a head on collision riding with my buddy when he lost control of his 97 v6
Camaro on a sharp and blind right turn. He lost control, stayed in it and overcorrected causing us to go into the oncoming lane and hit an old lady in a Firehawk. Dumb luck huh. We were all ok but he did 7000 damage to his car and about the same to the Firehawk.
Before that I was in a buddies car who thought he could be a pro rally driver after only having his license 2 wks. He flipped the car 2 1/2 times at about 55 mph. I had nightmares for 2 weeks after I got back from the hospital.
Camaro on a sharp and blind right turn. He lost control, stayed in it and overcorrected causing us to go into the oncoming lane and hit an old lady in a Firehawk. Dumb luck huh. We were all ok but he did 7000 damage to his car and about the same to the Firehawk.
Before that I was in a buddies car who thought he could be a pro rally driver after only having his license 2 wks. He flipped the car 2 1/2 times at about 55 mph. I had nightmares for 2 weeks after I got back from the hospital.
09-15-2005, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SporkLover
Pop your buddies tires.... you'll out handle him
Why even worry about it? You're really comparing apples to oranges here. F-Bodies really aren't the most nimble of cars stock. Comparing it to a Vette, the F-Body is heavy, and has a solid rear axle. There are many other differences that causes them not to handle near as well but with a few suspension mods and driver skill, an F-Body can outrun a stock Z06 on a track.
09-16-2005, 07:24 AM
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I mentioned racing in the rain.... Here's the results from E Street Prepared (reasonably well modified cars, but still street driveable) from the national championships this past week. They ran in the rain and you'll notice how many AWD cars were there, and how well they did (there was a Mustang Cobra in 6th). These things are evil in the rain (since the results are up, I figured I'd share them. Now you see why I was thinking STi, that's most of the WRX's there.).
http://scca.org/Event/Result.asp?Ref2=60
Edit. I just found out that the 6th place cobra driver was actually in a WRX STI and not a cobra as it is listed.
http://scca.org/Event/Result.asp?Ref2=60
Edit. I just found out that the 6th place cobra driver was actually in a WRX STI and not a cobra as it is listed.
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09-16-2005, 11:40 AM
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Like the pontiac Firebird Trans Am and Camaro Z/28 were originally created for entry into the earlier SCCA Trans Am, the WRX and the Evo were created for the WRC, which are mostly compact sedans. Kind of sux that there isn't an official class of vehicles that are equipped with a similar package, but appear more like a sport coupe (a la Celica GT All-Trac).
09-16-2005, 12:46 PM
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4th gen cars will get out handled by 3rd gen cars
4th gens have spongey shocks and not so good springs to give it a much more comfortable ride, get some adjustable Konis, QA1s or Blitzens along with some properly match springs and it will be like poping your car a gigantic blue pill, but remember, if its like that for more than 4 hours immediately seek medical attention..
4th gens have spongey shocks and not so good springs to give it a much more comfortable ride, get some adjustable Konis, QA1s or Blitzens along with some properly match springs and it will be like poping your car a gigantic blue pill, but remember, if its like that for more than 4 hours immediately seek medical attention..
09-16-2005, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cop Car
4th gen cars will get out handled by 3rd gen cars
With that said, I miss my third gen.
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F Stock Drivers: 34 Trophies:10
T 1 97 Casey Weiss 2000 Chevy Camaro Mrn Kumho 61.779 DNF 62.714 116.652
Garland, TX SMB Motorsports Texas Region/SW 55.400 55.024 54.873
T 2 92 Ron Bistrais 1997 Chevy Camaro Blk Kumho 62.432 70.820 63.252 117.510
West Windsor, NJ Evolution New York Region/NE 59.028(2) 55.334 55.078 -0.858
T 3 79 Lynne M Rothney-Kozl 1997 Porsche 993 Blk Hoosier 64.474(1) 75.620 63.351 118.240
Litchfield, ME Red Haus Racing New England Reg/NE 57.558(1) 55.534 54.889 -0.730
T 4 75 David Schotz 2002 Chevrolet Camaro Z-28 Red Kumho 65.354(1) 70.499(1) 63.494 118.325
[175] Simi Valley, CA SCCAForums.com / KUMHO / CARBOTECH / BOGART Arizona Border /SP 55.031 54.831 55.040 -0.085
T 5 113 Samuel A Strano 2003 Ford Mach 1 Gry Kumho 63.226 71.962(2) 63.140 118.637
[13] Brookville, PA Stranoparts Steel Cities Re/NE 56.617 55.497 55.586 -0.312
T 6 81 Brian Goodner 1991 Chevy Camaro Wht Kumho 64.300(1) 71.339(1) 64.276 119.829
Des Moines, IA
Des Moines Vall/Midwest Divisio 56.259 57.186(1) 55.553 -1.192
T 7 68 Kent L Weaver 2003 Ford Mach 1 Ylw Kumho 70.640(2) 72.089 64.887 119.838
Beavercreek, OH Tire Discounters Cincinnati Regi/CN 55.449 54.951 55.304 -0.009
T 8 57 Kent Kroll 2002 Chevrolet Camaro Blk Kumho 64.083 71.848 65.032 119.893
[157] Waco, TX TAMSCC Lone Star Regio/SW 55.810 56.219 57.859(1) -0.055
T 9 49 Donald E Knop 1994 Chevy Camaro Z28 Blk Kumho 64.208 71.187 68.501(1) 120.115
Lincoln, NE TO Haas Tire Nebraska/Midwest Divisio 56.215 55.907 56.618 -0.222
T 10 134 Jerry Grigg 1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z 28 Red Kumho 65.660 68.874 64.043 120.235
[34] Warner Robins, GA
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11 99 Bryan Hull 1995 Chevrolet Camaro Grn Kumho 64.604 72.863(1) 67.041(1) 120.371
Toledo, OH
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12 31 Dale Klein 1995 Chevrolet Camaro Red Kumho 63.994 74.687 68.373 120.449
Ferndale, MI Annie-Lou's Honeydews Detroit Region/CN 57.309 56.455 57.664(1) -0.078
13 76 Bruce Bellom 2000 Chevy Camaro Slv Kumho 65.447(1) DNF 66.519(1) 120.540
Peekskill, NY Team Bellom New York Region/NE 55.801 55.093 56.881(1) -0.091
14 38 Robert J Krider 2001 Ford Bullit Mustang Blu Kumho 64.464 75.039 67.924(1) 120.544
Fresno, CA Krider Racing San Francisco R/NP 56.080 56.162 57.412(1) -0.004
15 88 Roger Christophersen 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Blu Kumho 65.750 78.133(1) 66.878(1) 120.943
Clarence, IA
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16 48 Patrick Griffith 1997 Chevy Camaro Blk Kumho 65.453(1) 71.582 67.736(1) 121.338
Harmans, MD FBodyCentral.com / Blackshirtracing.com Susquehanna Reg/NE 55.885 59.809(2) 55.940 -0.395
17 157 Frank Lackner Bryan, 2002 Chevy Camaro Z28 Blk Kumho 70.412 DNF 65.666(1) 121.341
[57] Austin, TX Texas A&M Sports Car Club Houston Region/SW 56.201 56.328 55.675 -0.003
18 175 Larry Petrucci 2002 Chevrolet Z28 Camaro Red Kumho 72.758 68.473 64.553 121.774
[75] Chandler, AZ SCCAForums Arizona Region/SP 58.946(1) 57.221 57.232 -0.433
19 51 Jim Fossum 1998 Chev Camaro Z28 Slv Kumho 67.618 70.504 65.880 121.866
Greer, SC
Atlanta Region/SE 57.431(1) 58.019(1) 55.986 -0.092
20 13 Jason Burns 2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 Gry Kumho 66.519(1) 76.259 68.701(1) 122.040
[113] York, PA Yahmule Racing Susquehanna Reg/NE 55.521 55.771 55.855 -0.174
21 58 Adam R Hoselton 1998 Pontiac Firebird Red Kumho 65.310 75.477(1) 67.842 122.118
Costa Mesa, CA Roll Racing Cal Club Region/SP 57.716 56.808 56.922 -0.078
22 34 Karen Kraus 1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 1LE Grn Kumho 65.986(1) 73.077 66.786 122.499
[134] Brownsville, MD Fbody Central/Chesapeake Trans Blue Ridge Regi/SE 58.536(1) 57.213 56.513 -0.381
23 61 James Crawford 1994 Chevrolet Camaro Wht Hoosier 66.771(2) 71.494 66.789 122.747
Waukesha, WI
Milwaukee Regio/CN 56.806 55.976 57.853(1) -0.248
24 136 Adam Faust 2001 Pontiac Formula Blk Kumho 67.578 69.127 66.172(1) 123.330
[36] Longmont, CO Faust Consulting/Vorshlag.com Colorado Region/RM 58.219(1) 60.775(2) 57.158 -0.583
25 45 Robert E Lenz , Sr. 1997 Pontiac Firebird Wht Kumho 66.692 DNF 71.573 124.341
Muscatine, IA R & M Marketing Des Moines Vall/MW 58.208 58.262 57.649 -1.011
26 114 Paul S Williams 1998 Pontiac Formula Red Kumho 66.475(1) 72.908 64.902 125.358
[14] Cincinnati, OH RAFT RACING Cincinnati Regi/CN 60.456(2) 60.733(2) 63.129(3) -1.017
27 98 Todd Lorino 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z-28 Red Hoosier DNF DNF 68.151(1) 125.499
South Milwaukee, WI
Milwaukee/Central Divisio 57.557 57.368 57.348 -0.141
28 36 Lee Clyde Lydston 2001 Pontiac Formula Blk Kumho 67.293 73.862 68.587 125.507
[136] Broomfield, CO
Colorado Region/RM 58.214 59.266 60.143(1) -0.008
29 8 Charles Trebilcock 2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 Gry Kumho 67.332 74.400(1) 69.016 126.723
Nixa, MO
Ozark Mountain/Midwest Divisio 64.670(2) 59.489 59.391 -1.216
30 152 James L Mueller 2001 Mustang Cobra Red Kumho 76.747 74.414 68.577 127.102
[52] Eugene, OR Just Ducky Racing Oregon Region/NP 58.843 59.041 58.525 -0.379
31 14 Wayne E Furr, Jr. 1999 Pontiac Formula Red Kumho 69.203(1) 76.718 70.017 127.169
[114] West Chester, OH
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32 28 Glenn Duensing 1991 Chevy Z28 Blu Kumho 69.869 DNF 69.011 127.624
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33 52 Sean G Mueller 2001 Mustang Cobra Red Kumho 71.303(1) 77.788 69.774 129.770
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34 5 Jim Shebest 2005 Ford Mustang Blu
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F Stock Drivers: 34 Trophies:10
T 1 97 Casey Weiss 2000 Chevy Camaro Mrn Kumho 61.779 DNF 62.714 116.652
Garland, TX SMB Motorsports Texas Region/SW 55.400 55.024 54.873
T 2 92 Ron Bistrais 1997 Chevy Camaro Blk Kumho 62.432 70.820 63.252 117.510
West Windsor, NJ Evolution New York Region/NE 59.028(2) 55.334 55.078 -0.858
T 3 79 Lynne M Rothney-Kozl 1997 Porsche 993 Blk Hoosier 64.474(1) 75.620 63.351 118.240
Litchfield, ME Red Haus Racing New England Reg/NE 57.558(1) 55.534 54.889 -0.730
T 4 75 David Schotz 2002 Chevrolet Camaro Z-28 Red Kumho 65.354(1) 70.499(1) 63.494 118.325
[175] Simi Valley, CA SCCAForums.com / KUMHO / CARBOTECH / BOGART Arizona Border /SP 55.031 54.831 55.040 -0.085
T 5 113 Samuel A Strano 2003 Ford Mach 1 Gry Kumho 63.226 71.962(2) 63.140 118.637
[13] Brookville, PA Stranoparts Steel Cities Re/NE 56.617 55.497 55.586 -0.312
T 6 81 Brian Goodner 1991 Chevy Camaro Wht Kumho 64.300(1) 71.339(1) 64.276 119.829
Des Moines, IA
Des Moines Vall/Midwest Divisio 56.259 57.186(1) 55.553 -1.192
T 7 68 Kent L Weaver 2003 Ford Mach 1 Ylw Kumho 70.640(2) 72.089 64.887 119.838
Beavercreek, OH Tire Discounters Cincinnati Regi/CN 55.449 54.951 55.304 -0.009
T 8 57 Kent Kroll 2002 Chevrolet Camaro Blk Kumho 64.083 71.848 65.032 119.893
[157] Waco, TX TAMSCC Lone Star Regio/SW 55.810 56.219 57.859(1) -0.055
T 9 49 Donald E Knop 1994 Chevy Camaro Z28 Blk Kumho 64.208 71.187 68.501(1) 120.115
Lincoln, NE TO Haas Tire Nebraska/Midwest Divisio 56.215 55.907 56.618 -0.222
T 10 134 Jerry Grigg 1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z 28 Red Kumho 65.660 68.874 64.043 120.235
[34] Warner Robins, GA
Middle Georgia /SE 56.774 56.792 56.192 -0.120
11 99 Bryan Hull 1995 Chevrolet Camaro Grn Kumho 64.604 72.863(1) 67.041(1) 120.371
Toledo, OH
Northwestern Oh/CN 56.839 56.929 55.767 -0.136
12 31 Dale Klein 1995 Chevrolet Camaro Red Kumho 63.994 74.687 68.373 120.449
Ferndale, MI Annie-Lou's Honeydews Detroit Region/CN 57.309 56.455 57.664(1) -0.078
13 76 Bruce Bellom 2000 Chevy Camaro Slv Kumho 65.447(1) DNF 66.519(1) 120.540
Peekskill, NY Team Bellom New York Region/NE 55.801 55.093 56.881(1) -0.091
14 38 Robert J Krider 2001 Ford Bullit Mustang Blu Kumho 64.464 75.039 67.924(1) 120.544
Fresno, CA Krider Racing San Francisco R/NP 56.080 56.162 57.412(1) -0.004
15 88 Roger Christophersen 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Blu Kumho 65.750 78.133(1) 66.878(1) 120.943
Clarence, IA
Iowa Region/CN 55.193 56.402 56.190 -0.399
16 48 Patrick Griffith 1997 Chevy Camaro Blk Kumho 65.453(1) 71.582 67.736(1) 121.338
Harmans, MD FBodyCentral.com / Blackshirtracing.com Susquehanna Reg/NE 55.885 59.809(2) 55.940 -0.395
17 157 Frank Lackner Bryan, 2002 Chevy Camaro Z28 Blk Kumho 70.412 DNF 65.666(1) 121.341
[57] Austin, TX Texas A&M Sports Car Club Houston Region/SW 56.201 56.328 55.675 -0.003
18 175 Larry Petrucci 2002 Chevrolet Z28 Camaro Red Kumho 72.758 68.473 64.553 121.774
[75] Chandler, AZ SCCAForums Arizona Region/SP 58.946(1) 57.221 57.232 -0.433
19 51 Jim Fossum 1998 Chev Camaro Z28 Slv Kumho 67.618 70.504 65.880 121.866
Greer, SC
Atlanta Region/SE 57.431(1) 58.019(1) 55.986 -0.092
20 13 Jason Burns 2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 Gry Kumho 66.519(1) 76.259 68.701(1) 122.040
[113] York, PA Yahmule Racing Susquehanna Reg/NE 55.521 55.771 55.855 -0.174
21 58 Adam R Hoselton 1998 Pontiac Firebird Red Kumho 65.310 75.477(1) 67.842 122.118
Costa Mesa, CA Roll Racing Cal Club Region/SP 57.716 56.808 56.922 -0.078
22 34 Karen Kraus 1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 1LE Grn Kumho 65.986(1) 73.077 66.786 122.499
[134] Brownsville, MD Fbody Central/Chesapeake Trans Blue Ridge Regi/SE 58.536(1) 57.213 56.513 -0.381
23 61 James Crawford 1994 Chevrolet Camaro Wht Hoosier 66.771(2) 71.494 66.789 122.747
Waukesha, WI
Milwaukee Regio/CN 56.806 55.976 57.853(1) -0.248
24 136 Adam Faust 2001 Pontiac Formula Blk Kumho 67.578 69.127 66.172(1) 123.330
[36] Longmont, CO Faust Consulting/Vorshlag.com Colorado Region/RM 58.219(1) 60.775(2) 57.158 -0.583
25 45 Robert E Lenz , Sr. 1997 Pontiac Firebird Wht Kumho 66.692 DNF 71.573 124.341
Muscatine, IA R & M Marketing Des Moines Vall/MW 58.208 58.262 57.649 -1.011
26 114 Paul S Williams 1998 Pontiac Formula Red Kumho 66.475(1) 72.908 64.902 125.358
[14] Cincinnati, OH RAFT RACING Cincinnati Regi/CN 60.456(2) 60.733(2) 63.129(3) -1.017
27 98 Todd Lorino 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z-28 Red Hoosier DNF DNF 68.151(1) 125.499
South Milwaukee, WI
Milwaukee/Central Divisio 57.557 57.368 57.348 -0.141
28 36 Lee Clyde Lydston 2001 Pontiac Formula Blk Kumho 67.293 73.862 68.587 125.507
[136] Broomfield, CO
Colorado Region/RM 58.214 59.266 60.143(1) -0.008
29 8 Charles Trebilcock 2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 Gry Kumho 67.332 74.400(1) 69.016 126.723
Nixa, MO
Ozark Mountain/Midwest Divisio 64.670(2) 59.489 59.391 -1.216
30 152 James L Mueller 2001 Mustang Cobra Red Kumho 76.747 74.414 68.577 127.102
[52] Eugene, OR Just Ducky Racing Oregon Region/NP 58.843 59.041 58.525 -0.379
31 14 Wayne E Furr, Jr. 1999 Pontiac Formula Red Kumho 69.203(1) 76.718 70.017 127.169
[114] West Chester, OH
Cincinnati Regi/CN 58.437 58.567 57.966 -0.067
32 28 Glenn Duensing 1991 Chevy Z28 Blu Kumho 69.869 DNF 69.011 127.624
Monrovia, CA GMD4cones.com/Bluethunder Racing Arizona Region/SP 59.501 59.256 58.613 -0.455
33 52 Sean G Mueller 2001 Mustang Cobra Red Kumho 71.303(1) 77.788 69.774 129.770
[152] Eugene, OR Just Ducky Racing Oregon Region/NP 64.567(2) 61.614 59.996 -2.146
34 5 Jim Shebest 2005 Ford Mustang Blu
DNS DNS DNS No Time
Leesburg, VA
Susquehanna/NE DNS DNS DNS
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Sorry to resurrect a dead thread.
Chase this is about Dylan, i LMFAO'd when I read this. I was in that car too and it did scare the **** out of us.
Dylan is a dumbass, and now he is marrying a *****
Chase this is about Dylan, i LMFAO'd when I read this. I was in that car too and it did scare the **** out of us.
Dylan is a dumbass, and now he is marrying a *****
