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Suspension Setup I am looking for good advice on a suspension setup. I really don't know what I want to do right now. The main thing is I want to get something cheap for now. I have the Eibach Pro-Kit and stock shocks. I have full BMR suspension. I use this as a daily driver. I just want my car to handle decently all around. I don't do any autocrossing and it would be more geared towards drag racing. Eventually I want to get the hal 12 way adj. up front, but what's best to go with in the back. Both shock and spring setup. Don't know what weight spring in the front either. The car is pretty much at full weight.
Right now I'd like something to go with as far as the cheapest shock that is even worth buying. Just buy another set of stock ones? How much are they?
Right now I'd like something to go with as far as the cheapest shock that is even worth buying. Just buy another set of stock ones? How much are they?
I agree, you must choose your goal. I choose F1 handling/suspension instead of dragstrip wonder suspension. And the word cheap has got to go ASAP. Because nothing is cheap in this game.
mitchntx you did pretty well containing yourself there.
mitchntx you did pretty well containing yourself there.
thoes HAL shocks arent gona help you BTW. They absolutly suck on the street, ive ridden in a car with them, and Id rather have the stock decarbons on the car than thoes.
Well, I tried to resist, however a classic mistake is to be captivated by all sorts of "reinventions" different chassis/suspension parts, with their claims of using "superior materials with much saved weight, while dramatically improving performance." Unfortunately, the advetisements and the contrived rumours work infinitely many times better on the human psyche than the explanation of the simple physics invovled. About the only significant benefit I can say that many of those items resolve would be increased adjustibility. Basically, the real improvement for the money invovled are the dampers and not just their lastibility and their versatility, but their basic ability to effectively dampen spring oscillation.
With all that's said and done, I would definitely avoid the HAL's at ALL costs. Their problems are beginning to rear their ugly heads, even with drag racers. If you intend to purchase some adjustible dampers for daily driving handling, look towards Koni 8241 single adjustibles. In spite of what non-spring/non-shock suspension mods you have made, I highly doubt that your unsprung weight has changed so much where the vehicle warrants bump/compression adjustibility, so I would just save the money and go for Koni 8241 single adjustible.
If you shall opt for something cheaper, then you should consider a Bilstein revalve setup.
With all that's said and done, I would definitely avoid the HAL's at ALL costs. Their problems are beginning to rear their ugly heads, even with drag racers. If you intend to purchase some adjustible dampers for daily driving handling, look towards Koni 8241 single adjustibles. In spite of what non-spring/non-shock suspension mods you have made, I highly doubt that your unsprung weight has changed so much where the vehicle warrants bump/compression adjustibility, so I would just save the money and go for Koni 8241 single adjustible.
If you shall opt for something cheaper, then you should consider a Bilstein revalve setup.
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Guys, ya'll are wild. I didn't think my question was too hard or too vague. I said for now I want something cheap because my stock shocks are SHOT. Then I said I would go into a more drag racing setup. Really when that time comes I don't care about cheap. I mean I don't want to blow money for the sake of blowing money, but i want something good. I guess ya'll didn't see that there was two different time periods in that question. The present equals something cheap so that my car isn't sagging in the front. The future, something sweet. I've heard about how the pro-kit's not very good so I had the idea of getting rid of those and getting something nice for all around performance. Are you telling me there is no happy medium between drag racing and handling. This is a street car so it will see some of both. I don't care about a full drag setup that I can barely drive on the street but will gain a few tenths in the 1/4, nor do I car about something I can corner like a champ but can't transfer weight worth a crap. So I would assume there is something with some kind of happy medium.
FWIW I bought the car with the suspension stuff on it. Just calm down, I don't see it being that hard of a question to answer.
FWIW I bought the car with the suspension stuff on it. Just calm down, I don't see it being that hard of a question to answer.
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This is just and idea ok.......SInce you said cheap. Keep your front springs and get bilsteins HDs for the front. Drop the rear springs and go for the stock springs and do the hose mod and get sum new stock decarbons. For the street I think you would be in the middle of handling decent and launchin ok. I attribute decent because at least the springs will be closly matched to the damping they need from the shocks i suggested. Again just an idea. Most peeps kno what they want out of the car. And so will you eventually drag, road racer or show car. Either way they rarely go hand in hand, what is good for one is not for the other.
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Originally Posted by mitchntx
More tactfully ... wrong assumption on 2 counts.
What works for gining 1/10s kills cornering capabilities and what works in the twisties destroys your 60' ...
Nothing that helps for either venue is cheap. If it's cheap, it's crap.
Live with what you got, save your zeros and in the meantime, figure out what you want the car to do.
What works for gining 1/10s kills cornering capabilities and what works in the twisties destroys your 60' ...
Nothing that helps for either venue is cheap. If it's cheap, it's crap.
Live with what you got, save your zeros and in the meantime, figure out what you want the car to do.
" I don't care about a full drag setup that I can barely drive on the street but will gain a few tenths in the 1/4, nor do I car about something I can corner like a champ but can't transfer weight worth a crap. So I would assume there is something with some kind of happy medium."
I basically just said that I KNOW that what works in the drag is basically the opposite for the twisties. That's why I wanted a happy medium. Something that's not good for either one necassarily but split 50/50. Right now I think I'll be doing something similar to what the post right above this one said, if his idea is a good one. He at least knows what I'm trying to accomplish.
It's a temporary fix to a problem that I haven't completly found out. I'm not sure what I want in the long run, but for now I want a 50/50 split in handling and traction. Later on it will probably be more geared towards drag racing, but for now, I'm wanting a fix to my current problems.
I have always heard that the pro-kit sags in the back but my case is the reverse.
Originally Posted by rgriffin
There is a guy in my car club with QA1s and a Prokit... runs ~7.4 in the 8th(possibly better).. cam only 6 speed. He loves it, says its the perfect balance for him.
This is the handling and braking section, not the drag section.
Also, "perfect" and "great" and all those type descriptions are thrown about with abandon. Mods change the car, and usually for the better. But there is a huge difference between better, or different and correct.
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Thanks for the help guys 
Guess I'll be on my own. I think it's funny that unless you know exactly what you want (which there would be no need to ask for help then) you get flamed. That's a great way to support the site. 
Guess I'll be on my own. I think it's funny that unless you know exactly what you want (which there would be no need to ask for help then) you get flamed. That's a great way to support the site. 
id suggest if you plan on getting rid of the pro-kit anyways, then go back to the stock springs and get the bilstein HD's. thats about the cheapest setup you can get. your car however will not be lowered anymore, so you wont have the cool factor there. These guys are just trying to explain to you that you should do it right the first time because if you 1/2 *** it now, then do it right later, you wind up spending more than you would've initially. The ride quality would go down hill, then again you have been rollin on the pro kit and stock shocks 
in the end its all up to you. if you wanna stick with the pro kit, then get a set of revalved bilsteins. if you wanna spend a bit more, then you have the single adjustable koni's you could run with the stock springs also and still be able to lower ~3/4"s. btw, what are your suspension mods?
in the end its all up to you. if you wanna stick with the pro kit, then get a set of revalved bilsteins. if you wanna spend a bit more, then you have the single adjustable koni's you could run with the stock springs also and still be able to lower ~3/4"s. btw, what are your suspension mods? ok, so then let me ask. if you do get rid of the pro-kit are you gonna get another lowering spring? if yes, then you need to get an adjustable PHB to center your rear. they're relatively cheap. as i also mentioned you need to ditch the stock shocks!! but im sure you know that
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Well I would like to stay somewhat lowered. I also know I need an adj. panhard bar, it's been on my list of things to do. I didn't buy any of the suspension. It was already on the car when I bought it, otherwise I would have never bought the strut tower brace or non-adj panhard bar. I've started another thread in the drag racing section so I'll see if I can get some good feedback in that since I really want to go more than way anyhow.
then the cheapest route i can think of is going with the koni SA's, and do the rubber hose mod on the rear springs (stock springs that is) i did read that you didnt buy the suspension, but fork out the cash for the adjustable, install it and then just sell your other 
oh, your other option is to spend the money on another set of springs that arent as low..maybe the bmr's and then getting revalved bilsteins, but that combo will cost more money then the setup i mentioned earlier. Im sure Sam or any of the other sponsors can work the prices out.. it pays to be a mod sometimes
oh, your other option is to spend the money on another set of springs that arent as low..maybe the bmr's and then getting revalved bilsteins, but that combo will cost more money then the setup i mentioned earlier. Im sure Sam or any of the other sponsors can work the prices out.. it pays to be a mod sometimes