WEASEL

My shocks have taken a squat and I'd like to try some new springs too. I've pretty much got a fully upgraded suspension to go with whatever shocks I get but I like the adjustability.

Anybody got street experience on these or would I be better off with something like Ground Control?

Lots of $$$ either way so I don't want to waste it.

Thanks! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

TanRchy

TTT, id like to know as well......

Fly By

Id call lou personally, dont talk to the salesmen there, just ask for lou.

Just from reading on Cz28.com, I know that 1LEThumper has them, SteveC had them and one other guy I dont recall. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

jmX

I used the ground control setup on my camaro and loved it. its cheap too...bilsteins + ground control setup should be under $800 total.

WEASEL

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by jmX:
<strong> I used the ground control setup on my camaro and loved it. its cheap too...bilsteins + ground control setup should be under $800 total. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How is the rear set up on the GC's...like stock or coil-over? Also, were those the HD Bilsteins or someone's revalved setup?

steve_c

The LG coilover kit is very good, and if you're planning to go that route, I must ask what the purpose of the car will be.

Quite honestly once you put these units on, the car will react much differently than stock and will not have the cushy lazy boy ride that you have now.

This kit is meant for roadracing period. It's not meant for autox or drag racing.

The kit consists of bilstein motorsport shocks (with spherical ends top/bottom) and the springs and hyperco. Spring rates are 650/225 f/r.

2001CamaroGuy

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I've got them....put them on a few weeks before Christmas. I LOVE THESE THINGS!!!! I can adjust the ride height exactly where I want it, the car handles like its on rails (makes my F1 supercars SQUEAL on hard turns......) and they were really easy in install.

The downside is on rough road (when I get into the industrial sector of Phoenix), it really gets rough..(hard springs + hard shocks + bumps = <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" /> )...I can handle it but I breath easier when I reach good road again.

If they fit into your intended use, then by all means, GET THEM...you WILL love them.

Road Racing = Very Good....thats what LG does
street car (with good to fare roads) = Very Good
street car (bad roads) = might be a "little" too stiff <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
Auto-X = from what other people are using, these might be too stiff...call LG on that one...
drag racing = NOOOOO really any lowering spring is bad for that <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />


Chris

addition: While they do have sperical rod ends, they are very close fit so there does not seem to be a lot of rattle and noise transfer like you receave from lower controle arms. There actually seems to be less noise trasfer with the coilovers than I had with the regular G2 springs and stock shocks (yeah...I know....stock shocks SUCK!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ).

<small>[ February 11, 2003, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: 2001CamaroGuy ]</small>

WEASEL

steve_c...It's a street car with the occassional random race from a light or 70mph hwy punch. I test it's handling ability on a daily basis mainly from the time I get in until the time I get out.

It's not a lazy boy ride either...well, not until my shocks went south. GW SFC's, S/T 35/25mm bars, Hotchkis brace, BMR PHR and LCA's, PARacing K-member and A-arms, bags in the rear, Prokit, and KYB AGX 8-way, all riding on 18's.

The KYB's were excellent for 30k miles but when they went bad, they went bad fast. My driving helped I guess.

I want a shock/spring setup that is designed for a lowered car. Not something thrown together that I'm gonna have to trash or rebuild every few miles either or that's not intended to work together to begin with.

Are the G2's what I need or is there something better for my purpose?

Thanks! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ February 11, 2003, 11:28 AM: Message edited by: WEASEL ]</small>

WEASEL

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 2001CamaroGuy:
<strong> I've got them....put them on a few weeks before Christmas. I LOVE THESE THINGS!!!! I can adjust the ride height exactly where I want it, the car handles like its on rails (makes my F1 supercars SQUEAL on hard turns......) and they were really easy in install.

The downside is on rough road (when I get into the industrial sector of Phoenix), it really gets rough..(hard springs + hard shocks + bumps = <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" /> )...I can handle it but I breath easier when I reach good road again.

If they fit into your intended use, then by all means, GET THEM...you WILL love them. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />


Chris

addition: While they do have sperical rod ends, they are very close fit so there does not seem to be a lot of rattle and noise transfer like you receave from lower controle arms. There actually seems to be less noise trasfer with the coilovers than I had with the regular G2 springs and stock shocks (yeah...I know....stock shocks SUCK!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ). </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Chris...Good info! I don't really consider the harshness or noise anymore when looking at parts. The only thing might be how often I'd have to replace those ends but it would have to be 10X easier than replacing stock shocks.

As for use, it IS a street car but I'll drive the extra mile to take a curvy, hilly road vs a nice smooth highway.

You guys that have them, is there ANYTHING you DON'T like about them or would change?

Thanks!

steve_c

If you want a kit designed for a lowered the G2 coilover is excellent, especially in the front, the shocks have the necessary travel, and won't cause the suspension to bottom out like normal OEM replacement shocks will once you lower.

As for the rear, you will have to make sure you tell Lou (and only talk to Lou or his son) to use shorter shocks (I think the 7" body) with a 10" spring (not 12") otherwise you will not be able to lower the car enough in the back compared to the front.

Steve

1LEThumper

Personally I still think the Coil overs are softer riding than my car stock or even my dad's '99 1LE.

It does change the handling of the car a lot. Just about everything changes. Turn in is faster, responsiveness is much improved, dive is eliminated.

Its a hell of a kit for the money....but like Steve said..don't plan on doing much more with it besides having one hell of a car that loves high speed turns. <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />

2001CamaroGuy

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[/QUOTE] As for use, it IS a street car but I'll drive the extra mile to take a curvy, hilly road vs a nice smooth highway.[/QB][/QUOTE]

These are probubly just what you are looking for. While they are built for handling, when you do get out on that smooth highway its almost like a stock car (nice ride).

Only thing I want to mention is something that I have exsperienced driving with them. Be careful pushing them TOO HARD (don't have to baby...just don't go full ahead) on really bumpy roads. Hard shocks/springs tend to JUMP over the bumps and when the tires leave the road, oviously you losse your handling. In otherwords.....as with everything...use a little common sense and you will still have a car to have fun with in the longrun. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> I always hate to hear people wrecked their car..... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

Later guys <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Chris

WEASEL

For what its worth, I ordered them today. I may need to call back and talk to Lou about that rear shock. He was on the phone and I was late for work so I ordered from Rick.

The S/T swaybars almost eliminated roll and dive on my current setup. HUGE difference! I've heard several comments before that they would make the car push like a hog but that's as far from the truth as can be. With a close to stock alignment on Prokits I actually had slight oversteer until the very limits and that was more or less due to tire roll on sharp, fast turns.

With a modest (price wise) setup with the KYBs on 275/35/18 Kumho 712s I would have to do 80mph on 45mph curves to get the tires to squeal and still not feel unstable.

Since the KYBs went out so fast I figured why not go for a proven setup. Hopefully, they will compliment my other components perfectly. I'm going with some 275/40/17 Kumho 712s up front and 295/35/18 Pilot Sports in the rear this time.

Thanks for the help guys. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

steve_c

Don't run those big ST bars with the coilover, run instead the 32/21mm 1LE bars to match the LG kit.

2001CamaroGuy

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by WEASEL:
<strong> For what its worth, I ordered them today. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Cool deal.. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> ...give them a shot with the ST bars and post how the combination works. It might be too stiff but I'm betting it will work fine <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> . You already have them so it won't hurt to test them. I'm planning on ordering the 1LE bars (32mm/21mm) for my car. They seem to be the best bang-for-buck at $150 a set. I also like the fact that the 32mm is hollow. I had a BMR 32mm and that thing was REALLY HEAVY <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> .

Later man... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Chris

WEASEL

Steve, I read that big stinky discussion on that other site and also the negativity towards the big bars but I talked to Lou again today and he said I shouldn't have a problem with them.

That sounds good to me... less to buy but I'll just have to see how it feels. Lou may have said that considering I told him that this is, for the most part, a street car. The only competition it's used for is playing the occassional hide and seek from the popo. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Right now, I think those bars are the only thing keeping my car on the road through the curves. The shocks sound like rusty bed springs with about 10 kids jumping on them. I'm too embarassed to drive home through the city so I take the back roads home. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

Chris...I'll post how they feel in a couple weeks hopefully. I know that front bar's a monster. I dropped it across my shin when I installed it. <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> I do have the PARacing stuff though so it should have more than made up for the weight gain.

Steve...Thanks for the info on the shorter shock. That's what Lou suggested as well. I think they will be just right. I don't carry any passengers in the rear and I've removed the jack and spare but I do have some stereo stuff going in so the rear should stay around stock weight.

Btw, what size wheels are ya'll running?

Thanks!

<small>[ February 13, 2003, 03:06 AM: Message edited by: WEASEL ]</small>

2001CamaroGuy

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by WEASEL:
<strong> I know that front bar's a monster. I dropped it across my shin when I installed it. <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">owwwww.....that sucks......when I removed my BMR bar, I lost hold of it and it drop on my arm...... <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> .....there was a lot of $^&*()Q@#*@()!&*#(!)@ comming out of the garrage... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" />

steve_c

Dude the 35mm bar and 25mm are too big and will cause the suspension to bind when the car is at full lean. This could mean snap oversteer or a huge push through a tight corner.

Stick with the 32mm hollow (light) and 21mm rear.

These bars are super light compared to the pig 35mm bar and will work well.

I remember still having push with the 32mm hollow when I drove aggressive through a 20 mph turn, but I didn't have the 21mm bar mounted on the rear, so you can just imagine if I did.

Good luck,

Steve

LG Motorsports

After rethinking it, I would say that the 35 mm bar is too much. Steve C is correct. I like the 1 1/4 Inch hollow bar for the front and 7/8 for the rear.
these are the sizes that we tested the car with while developing these coil overs.

thanks
Lou Gigliotti LGM

WEASEL

Okay, I'll wait and see. I've at least got to drive it with the big bars to feel the difference.

If it still feels good then it may be a while before I go with smaller bars. I've got about 2 g's worth of other parts that's been waiting to be installed for about 6 months.

Hey, none of you have said what size wheels and tires you're racing on. I'd just like to get a comparable idea of my setup versus others in this particular forum.

Thanks! <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />