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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 12:18 AM
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I've got an '02 Firehawk and am considering investing in a panhard rod and lower control arms - since the Firehawks are lower than a "stock" Firebird do I need adjustable versions of both the PHB and LCAs? I'm not planning on changing the ride height from what it is already. If I *do* get the adjustable versions, how do I know once they've been adjusted properly? Will I also need the relocation brackets? I've got Goetz SFCs, I don't know if those'll bind on any of the above.

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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 01:36 AM
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You shouldn't need em unless it is a dedicated drag setup or there is a particular alignment problem.
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 09:36 AM
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I also dont think the Firehawks are lower than a standard Formula because that is how the Hawk starts out as and SLP does not change the suspension unless the owners orders the car with one of the suspension upgrades.

My friends Hawk sat at the same height as my Formula.
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 11:12 AM
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'Some' Firehawks are lower than others.. The Bilstien option lowered the car around 3/4".
Regardless, you should not need aftermarket parts for a stock car...
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Originally Posted by HawkFanatic
'Some' Firehawks are lower than others.. The Bilstien option lowered the car around 3/4".
Regardless, you should not need aftermarket parts for a stock car...
Ah - I got my car with the Bilstein option. The reason I'm looking to upgrade is that I do a bit of AutoX during the summer, maybe 3 or 4 races, nothing serious and I'd like to tighten up the handling. I figured I'd start with a PHB and LCAs since they're pretty cheap then go from there.
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 04:42 PM
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Might as well get some single adjustables while you are at it if not you will likely regret it later and have to spend more to do it right.

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I've got an '02 Firehawk and am considering investing in a panhard rod and lower control arms - since the Firehawks are lower than a "stock" Firebird do I need adjustable versions of both the PHB and LCAs? I'm not planning on changing the ride height from what it is already. If I *do* get the adjustable versions, how do I know once they've been adjusted properly? Will I also need the relocation brackets? I've got Goetz SFCs, I don't know if those'll bind on any of the above.

Lotta questions, hope someone can help me out. I tried the "advanced search" to check through this forum, it kept taking me to some Google page...
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 04:52 PM
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Definitely doesn't need one or the other. I guess that depends on what you want to do with the car. Either modification has its pros and cons
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 05:27 PM
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you jump way up in class if you do LCA's. Plus they really don't help much, or even hurt if you use poly ended ones.

Get the rod/rod or even rod/poly PHR...much better rear tracking and I thick you are still in F-stock class.

Also, Firehawk will be allowed in F-stock with regular V8 F-bods this year for the first time...Lucky you!

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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He didnt say he was doing autox though

In any case, that's pretty cool about the A-stock fbods being moved to F-stock. We're gettin lucky with the Evo/STI being bumped out of ESP and now this
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Spurkey
The reason I'm looking to upgrade is that I do a bit of AutoX during the summer, maybe 3 or 4 races, nothing serious and I'd like to tighten up the handling.
Fifth post down, my second post. I forgot to mention it in my original post, I probably should've just updated the original. The car's my daily driver in the summer so I'm not looking to go too crazy, but I'm OK with trading off a little ride quality for a better-handling car.
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My mistake. I totally missed that.

If you have SFC's installed, then you are already bumped into SM. If you want to keep stock springs, you would benefit from either revalve shocks or konis, a Strano swaybar package, and I'd totally get the T2R differential if I was still on stock power. Dual rod ended PHB is a good upgrade.

If you truly don't want to spend money on the shocks and swaybars given your firehawk set, dual rod phb and T2R by itself would still be a good modification I'd try.

Try all these things first before going to LCA's. LCA brackets would angle your ctrl arms upward and make your rear end more twitchy when taking turns. They are more for straight line launching traction and preventing wheelhop.
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Old Apr 24, 2007 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by z28bryan
If you truly don't want to spend money on the shocks and swaybars given your firehawk set, dual rod phb and T2R by itself would still be a good modification I'd try.
Honestly, the only reason I'm trying to save money right now is that the rear is starting to sag on the passenger's side and it won't be too long before I have to pony up for new shocks/springs.

A shiny new PHB seemed like a good excuse to wrench on the car for a weekend and since most places seem to offer rod-ended LCAs and a PHB as a package, not to mention the "Canyon Carving" sticky in this forum recommends them, I thought that might tide me over until I had to buy new shocks.

I checked the Strano website and he's got packages that include springs, shocks and a PHB, with a sway bar for good measure - once the tax return comes in maybe I should just invest in one of those and be done with it, I'd probably be buying those components individually over time anyways.
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