This is why I carry a gun EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!
05-12-2009, 03:43 PM
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*off argument*
Police are now saying at least 4 shots were fired and are looking into murder charges for the couple.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7557222&page=1
Police are now saying at least 4 shots were fired and are looking into murder charges for the couple.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7557222&page=1
05-12-2009, 04:02 PM
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he did that, he tried to retreat and it did not work, what is so hard to understand? the only way things could have been different with your un armed scenario is if the man was flash gordon....if some one returned fire then more then likely the meth freaks would have at least took cover and not just stood there laying in with more shots. Allowing for more time to get out even if the fathers shots were just total spray and pray...
EDIT: I'm not sure why I was typing about a little girl. It was a boy. Not that it makes any difference.
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05-12-2009, 04:10 PM
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No ... I don't think you have. Well, maybe you have, you just didn't comprehend what you read.
I never, ever tried to dissect what actually happened. I wasn't there and having worked in the media world, I know that what is reported isn't necessarily fact.
I merely responded to scenarios folks were throwing out there about how IF it had been them, THEY WOULD have ... whatever.
I attempted to point out potential consequences of the hypthetical situations and then espouse my opinions and base my opinion on some reason other than "****'em".
I never, ever tried to dissect what actually happened. I wasn't there and having worked in the media world, I know that what is reported isn't necessarily fact.
I merely responded to scenarios folks were throwing out there about how IF it had been them, THEY WOULD have ... whatever.
I attempted to point out potential consequences of the hypthetical situations and then espouse my opinions and base my opinion on some reason other than "****'em".
05-12-2009, 04:14 PM
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Name calling ... nice. Shows a lack of intelligence and the inability to form a relevant thought. I wish that was screened on the CHL exam. Unfortunately ...
As long as you are sure you have the bigger gun, then blast away.
I'd prefer to be stupid and at home with my family than have my wife arrange 2 funerals.
As long as you are sure you have the bigger gun, then blast away.
I'd prefer to be stupid and at home with my family than have my wife arrange 2 funerals.
05-12-2009, 04:19 PM
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Yes, I did read that the innocent child did in fact pass away. Very sad indeed and my heart goes out to the parents and I pray that the perps get what they deserve.
Not sure what your point is, though.
You do realize I was responding to hypothetical scenarios being bantered about like it was real life, right?
Sometime the line between the internet and real life gets some folks confused sometimes.
Not sure what your point is, though.
You do realize I was responding to hypothetical scenarios being bantered about like it was real life, right?
Sometime the line between the internet and real life gets some folks confused sometimes.
05-12-2009, 04:38 PM
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No ... I don't think you have. Well, maybe you have, you just didn't comprehend what you read.
I never, ever tried to dissect what actually happened. I wasn't there and having worked in the media world, I know that what is reported isn't necessarily fact.
I merely responded to scenarios folks were throwing out there about how IF it had been them, THEY WOULD have ... whatever.
I attempted to point out potential consequences of the hypthetical situations and then espouse my opinions and base my opinion on some reason other than "****'em".
I never, ever tried to dissect what actually happened. I wasn't there and having worked in the media world, I know that what is reported isn't necessarily fact.
I merely responded to scenarios folks were throwing out there about how IF it had been them, THEY WOULD have ... whatever.
I attempted to point out potential consequences of the hypthetical situations and then espouse my opinions and base my opinion on some reason other than "****'em".
I think it's funny that you responded to the scenarios with a "What If" scenario. Don't bash it if you're going to use it in your defense. Besides, we're not adding factors to the story other than the father having a gun. Adding additional children and assault rilfes is just going overboard. Then again, you're entitled to your "what if" argument as much as I am mine. Yours is just pointless. I'm sure if the father of the child had a gun and saw a child standing next to the meth heads, he probably wouldn't have fired back, but there it is again. "IF"
05-12-2009, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ABC article Adam98Z posted
"Sheila Muhs started cursing at them 'Get off our property,'" DeFoor said and fired off at least one round, causing the Jeep, which had started to leave, to veer off the road.
Muhs, he said, then put the shotgun down and chased after the Jeep on her all-terrain vehicle, eventually catching up to it on the levee about 100 yards away, the ATVs headlights pointed at the Jeep.
While that was happening, DeFoor said Gayle Muhs picked up the discarded shotgun and fired at the SUV. DeFoor said the trajectory of that shot showed that the back of the SUV was sprayed with pellets, it's rear window blown out.
"The SUV was in the process to flee," the officer said.
Nelton told the Houston Chronicle that they yelled at the Muhs after the first shot that they had kids in the car and to stop shooting, but another gunshot -- possibly more -- is all they heard in return.
Muhs, he said, then put the shotgun down and chased after the Jeep on her all-terrain vehicle, eventually catching up to it on the levee about 100 yards away, the ATVs headlights pointed at the Jeep.
While that was happening, DeFoor said Gayle Muhs picked up the discarded shotgun and fired at the SUV. DeFoor said the trajectory of that shot showed that the back of the SUV was sprayed with pellets, it's rear window blown out.
"The SUV was in the process to flee," the officer said.
Nelton told the Houston Chronicle that they yelled at the Muhs after the first shot that they had kids in the car and to stop shooting, but another gunshot -- possibly more -- is all they heard in return.
05-12-2009, 07:17 PM
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"If it had been me and I had a gun I'd ..." is the crux of this whiole thread. A very wise poster said earlier that no one knows how they would react in a similar situation ... including me.
It's OK for you to think my points are null and void ... it's no big deal on this end.
As far additional weapons or the additional child, the point you and others seem determined to gloss over, is that when you chose to return fire, you really never know how far it will escalate.
Agreed ... returning fire and buying time is a plausible scenario.
However, if they are willing to take the first shot, chances are good they aren't afraid to take a second or third or fourth or ... so where does it end?
child AND father dead (wife making arrangement for two)
child and child dead?
how about battle to the death ... last man standing?
Kind of sounds like Anytown, Iraq ...
05-12-2009, 10:14 PM
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As far additional weapons or the additional child, the point you and others seem determined to gloss over, is that when you chose to return fire, you really never know how far it will escalate.
Agreed ... returning fire and buying time is a plausible scenario.
However, if they are willing to take the first shot, chances are good they aren't afraid to take a second or third or fourth or ... so where does it end?
Agreed ... returning fire and buying time is a plausible scenario.
However, if they are willing to take the first shot, chances are good they aren't afraid to take a second or third or fourth or ... so where does it end?
I'll say this, and pretty much wrap up my beef on this thread; these people should be absolutely tortured. They knew what they were doing and appeared to have no remorse whatsoever. I hope that another inmate completely destroys each of these people's lives. Death by injection is too soft of a way to kill them. They don't deserve to breathe the same air we breathe. My thoughts and prayers go to the family who lost their baby.
05-12-2009, 11:20 PM
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This topic has finally reached a reasonable agreement. I did not keep up with this story and now after reading the post that the jeep was leaving so they were trying to escape and the situation just got worse due to those crazy..unbelivably crazy people. So yes I think it valid to return fire at that point.
I'm no longer trying to argue; I think we can all agree that these people were pretty much looking to kill since they disregarded the family's attempt to leave and to tell them they had children.
This situation is almost unreal; my prayers go to the loved ones of the innocent.
I'm no longer trying to argue; I think we can all agree that these people were pretty much looking to kill since they disregarded the family's attempt to leave and to tell them they had children.
This situation is almost unreal; my prayers go to the loved ones of the innocent.
05-13-2009, 01:18 AM
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They look like something out of Hollywood horror movie, like those folks on the newer Texas CHainsaw massacre, the one with Jessica Beils fine ***. Poor kid, some people are just ****** stupid and evil.
05-13-2009, 01:21 AM
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05-13-2009, 06:07 AM
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If I was in the same situation as the guy, I'd do my best to get to my child and shield him from the gun shots. I do not have children, but I do have 6 neices and nephews and I know for a fact that I wouldn't hesitate to give my life for one of them.
My thoughts and prayers go to the family who lost their baby.
My thoughts and prayers go to the family who lost their baby.
99.9% of us will never find ourselves in this type situation. And like after the "game" is over, it's easy to look back and wonder why Romo didn't try and hit Witten who was wide open or Hamilton grounded out to the short stop or Nowitzki passed to howard instead of taking the wide open 3 pointer.
The smartest post in this thread was
And the only person who can make the call on if escape is possible or not is the one in the situation. It is pointless to argue either way as to what the individual posters think they would do in the same situation. If you are ever in such a difficult position, then you will know.
