VOLT = 41k, bring them to TEXAS!

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Old 07-29-2010, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by zero2sixT
''...Also enjoy paying for it twice, since they developed this thing with our tax dollars.
That goes for everything GM at this point...the real world sucks ***** doesn't it?

I agree with one thing:

Buy American. Be American. This country needs to focus on itself before it's to late. Greed/corruption is a ************ and it's taking our beloved country down.

Yea. The government borrowed (took) money from us and is asking us to pay interest on it.<<<--- Got to love politicians/ lawyers and politically rich.

Maybe it's time for a new Democracy.

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3. A Buick Regal and Honda Accord are both boring, bland, and reliable.
This means war!!!!!!!!!!!...though, I have to agree.

What about theez ones?



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Nuclear power is the correct long term answer to this country's power generation problems, and the quicker we realize it the better off we will be.

It has the ability to be the cleanest, safest and cheapest form of power, but in order to get there some changes need to be made. All the disinformation needs to stop. The average person knows nothing about nuclear power generation, and the majority of mainstream information is grossly incorrect.

The USA needs to follow France's model for nuclear power generation (it is the only thing that damn country has ever done correctly). We need to select a specific pressurized water reactor design, and then build it over, and over and over and over.

Using a single design will drastically cut constructions costs, allow quick approval and certification of new plants, and increase safety as any lessons learned could be applied to every plant in operation. It would also allow consistent training of operators, and allow experienced personnel to easily transfer from an existing plant to a new start up plant to give the new plant experienced operators on day one.

Waste disposal is another thing that could be easily handled, if all the disinformation was better managed. The technology exists to solidify the waste, then you simply build a shielding pool to store it in, which results in a very safe and stable storage facility. The problem is that with all the misinformation, you would be hard pressed to find somewhere to put the storage facility, because people would be scared of having it anywhere near them, due to the total misunderstanding the average person has of all things nuclear.
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Originally Posted by Blackfly
That goes for everything GM at this point...the real world sucks ***** doesn't it?

I agree with one thing:

Buy American. Be American. This country needs to focus on itself before it's to late. Greed/corruption is a ************ and it's taking our beloved country down.

Yea. The government borrowed (took) money from us and is asking us to pay interest on it.<<<--- Got to love politicians/ lawyers and politically rich.

May be time for a new Democracy.

Time for **** to get real

Old 07-29-2010, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by zero2sixT
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Im sorry, but your post here is full of misguided opinion and bad information.

Electric cars are not the saviors of our energy dependence on oil. If everyone right now started driving electric cars, we would still drill, buy, and produce oil. Byproducts of crude oil pretty much are a part of production in every manufactured good, and harvested good. When we discover how to maintain nuclear fusion, we will still use bi-products of crude oil.
this part is true

Originally Posted by zero2sixT
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Mining the zinc, and lithium to produce the battery more than offsets the environmental benefits of an electric car. Long story short, it pretty much destroys the surrounding environment and poisions drinking water for locals. No its not in our backyard, but it still has an environmental and human health cost. Not to mention a battery costs ~$5k.
You obviously aren't up on your research, the Volts battery/gasoline generator system is meant to have a smaller battery for less environmental impact and cost of replacement. Tesla roadsters and Prius batteries are the worst offenders of what you are talking about
We get the bulk of our imported oil from Canada, Mexico, and South America. Not the mideast. China is a huge buyer of mid-east oil. In fact, they are a primary buyer of Iranian oil.

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IMO, this technology is going to be just as beneficial as ethanol.
ethanol was an abomination that would have taken a huge cultural shift to change enough to be effective...but that didn't happen. Ethanol had huge potential to solve the gasoline crisis in America, but just because it failed doesn't mean we should give up every endeavor.

Originally Posted by zero2sixT
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Bring on the ******* smaller, turbo diesels. Why don't they produce the 1/2 ton silverado with the 4.6 li duramax? For the love of God, why won't they make these?A VW tdi will smoke this Volt in mileage, efficiency, and power. Bring on electronic valves for gasoline engines.
diesel is a very viable option that I agree should be more widely used, but supply and demand wise, as we switch to diesel it will only become more and more expensive. And, not to mention that the Jetta TDI is NOT getting 59 mpg, which research has already shown that the Volt will do. Then, you have to take into account the fact that people who drive within the batteries range will NEVER need gas.

Originally Posted by zero2sixT
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Enjoy driving a Volt on the 610 loop at rush hour in Houston. Hopefully Julio the dumptruck driver sees you before he cuts you off doing 75 mph. Also enjoy paying for it twice, since they developed this thing with our tax dollars.

This is also a great argument...so you're saying we should just abandon small cars? Motorcycles too? hell if your truck aint bigs enough then you can GGEEEETT out!

the tax dollars I'm not even going to get in to.
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Originally Posted by zero2sixT
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Im sorry, but your post here is full of misguided opinion and bad information.

Electric cars are not the saviors of our energy dependence on oil. If everyone right now started driving electric cars, we would still drill, buy, and produce oil. Byproducts of crude oil pretty much are a part of production in every manufactured good, and harvested good. When we discover how to maintain nuclear fusion, we will still use bi-products of crude oil.

Mining the zinc, and lithium to produce the battery more than offsets the environmental benefits of an electric car. Long story short, it pretty much destroys the surrounding environment and poisions drinking water for locals. No its not in our backyard, but it still has an environmental and human health cost. Not to mention a battery costs ~$5k.

We get the bulk of our imported oil from Canada, Mexico, and South America. Not the mideast. China is a huge buyer of mid-east oil. In fact, they are a primary buyer of Iranian oil.


please do research before you post ignorant satements. it's not hard to google. http://www.energyrefuge.com/archives...comes_from.htm

1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Venezuela
5. Nigeria
6. Angola
7. Iraq
8. Algeria
9. United Kingdom
10. Brazil

http://www.wisegeek.com/where-does-t...-come-from.htm


IMO, this technology is going to be just as beneficial as ethanol.

Bring on the ******* smaller, turbo diesels. Why don't they produce the 1/2 ton silverado with the 4.6 li duramax? For the love of God, why won't they make these?A VW tdi will smoke this Volt in mileage, efficiency, and power. Bring on electronic valves for gasoline engines.
This isn't a bad idea, but the problem with this is
1) the US refineries are not set up to handle that much diesel production. I work for a major oil player and if that were to happen we could not supply enough diesel, no one could. Europe's refineries are set up that way, so hence why they can do it.
2) if this was the way, then like someone else said the price of diesel would go sky high, kinda defeats the good mph..


Enjoy driving a Volt on the 610 loop at rush hour in Houston. Hopefully Julio the dumptruck driver sees you before he cuts you off doing 75 mph. Also enjoy paying for it twice, since they developed this thing with our tax dollars.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, the Volt isn't all it's cracked up to be. I think something like the Tesla would be much better, 300 mpc... seems like it would rock!
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Originally Posted by Domsz06
please do research before you post ignorant satements. it's not hard to google. http://www.energyrefuge.com/archives...comes_from.htm

1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Venezuela
5. Nigeria
6. Angola
7. Iraq
8. Algeria
9. United Kingdom
10. Brazil

http://www.wisegeek.com/where-does-t...-come-from.htm




This isn't a bad idea, but the problem with this is
1) the US refineries are not set up to handle that much diesel production. I work for a major oil player and if that were to happen we could not supply enough diesel, no one could. Europe's refineries are set up that way, so hence why they can do it.
2) if this was the way, then like someone else said the price of diesel would go sky high, kinda defeats the good mph..


Enjoy driving a Volt on the 610 loop at rush hour in Houston. Hopefully Julio the dumptruck driver sees you before he cuts you off doing 75 mph. Also enjoy paying for it twice, since they developed this thing with our tax dollars.

Wow man, so Saudi Arabia edges out Venezuela on oil sales to US. Pat yourself on the back. Saudia Arabia is #3, Venezuela is #4...your research skills are uncanny. BTW, thats an '07 graph. I think my point was made. I was in a little bit of a hurry typing that post. I'll try to post up to your stringent standards in the future.

Thats nice dude, youre an outside guy for an oil refiner? Maybe console operator? Its very possible we work at the same place. But, I don't think youre in charge of oil movements or production quotas. A refiner can produce less gasoline and more diesel. One of the reasons gas jumped so high in '08. Diesel profit margin was larger, cut production on gasoline. Also the EPA called for a lower sulpher diesel. Slowed production, creating a smaller supply, hence a higher price. Where I work, a HUGE turnaround to increase diesel production is being finished up. Even been to a state of the business meeting where it was said that diesel is the future.

The problem isnt that the price of diesel would skyrocket. It would eventually come down with demand. The problem is there is still a high demand for gasoline.

You don't have to support everything with a bowtie just because what you drive has one also. Electric cars are a joke, and going to contribute to us all dying of SMUG inhalation.
Old 07-29-2010, 04:26 PM
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