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Old 09-21-2010 | 12:22 AM
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A shotgun pattern at a distance that is in your house is only about 2-3x as big as a .45acp bullet. The point and click stuff is crap, sorry. You always need to get a good aim on your target in a civilian self defense situation. You are legally responsible for every round you fire, and missing can cost an innocent person, maybe your loved one, their life. Manslaughter plus losing everything in civil court is the price you may pay.

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Old 09-21-2010 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 98_1LE
A shotgun pattern at a distance that is in your house is only about 2-3x as big as a .45acp bullet. The point and click stuff is crap, sorry. You always need to get a good aim on your target in a civilian self defense situation. You are legally responsible for every round you fire, and missing can cost an innocent person, maybe your loved one, their life. Manslaughter plus losing everything in civil court is the price you may pay.

Be safe!
the pattern may be tight if it has a full choke and no, you may not have as accurate of round placement as you would with a .45. (if you have any experience with a handgun) and I'll admit, the point and click comment may have been a little over the top but which are you more likely to hit your target with.... also, shotgun rounds lose their lethality much quicker than a single slug does. and say one of the intruders takes a family member hostage, no matter what weapon you had, would you actually fire? I would say I am a better shot than most but i wouldnt take the chance...
Old 09-21-2010 | 10:43 AM
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with any type of buckshot #1 or greater you will probably only have a 6-12 inches of spread within a 10 yard range. Since we are talking home protection, most homes wont have that the layout to force you to have to make a shot over that distance.
Old 09-21-2010 | 11:46 AM
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just get a few body gaurds to roam around your home at night w ak-47s and rottliers. and have seach lights on your roof. problem solved. and if they get by this sorry friend no weapon is going to save you
Old 09-21-2010 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 96RamAirTA
just get a few body gaurds to roam around your home at night w ak-47s and rottliers. and have seach lights on your roof. problem solved. and if they get by this sorry friend no weapon is going to save you
You can also string your house with explosives. Just flee to house and level it on the way out.
Old 09-21-2010 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ANTICOP RAM AIR
the pattern may be tight if it has a full choke and no, you may not have as accurate of round placement as you would with a .45. (if you have any experience with a handgun) and I'll admit, the point and click comment may have been a little over the top but which are you more likely to hit your target with.... also, shotgun rounds lose their lethality much quicker than a single slug does. and say one of the intruders takes a family member hostage, no matter what weapon you had, would you actually fire? I would say I am a better shot than most but i wouldnt take the chance...
I'd feel sorry for the poor bastard that takes my fiance hostage.

What I don't understand is a lot of people's ammo choice in a shotgun. I was doing some reading the other night and someone posted up there first round was a nonlethal, 2nd and 3rd 00 buck then slug's. Just kill the mfer and get it over with, a nonlethal isn't going to hold any water as far as "I tried to warn them". The warning should have been hey ******* this isn't your home. My loading in all three shotguns are as follows: 00 buck, 00 buck, 00 buck, 00 buck, 00 buck, 00 buck, 00 buck, 00 buck. If that doesn't work I'll reach for the samurai sword and go pulp fiction on there ***.
Old 09-21-2010 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Fatass
I'd feel sorry for the poor bastard that takes my fiance hostage.

What I don't understand is a lot of people's ammo choice in a shotgun. I was doing some reading the other night and someone posted up there first round was a nonlethal, 2nd and 3rd 00 buck then slug's. Just kill the mfer and get it over with, a nonlethal isn't going to hold any water as far as "I tried to warn them". The warning should have been hey ******* this isn't your home. My loading in all three shotguns are as follows: 00 buck, 00 buck, 00 buck, 00 buck, 00 buck, 00 buck, 00 buck, 00 buck. If that doesn't work I'll reach for the samurai sword and go pulp fiction on there ***.
00 buck is over rated for home defense. It over penetrates and has less surface area than #1. #1 is the best compromise between penetration and surface area.
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**** the gun **** get a chain saw...and chase his *** like the texas chainsaw massacre would....i bet he will never return
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
On your property, and viewed as a threat to your safety. And when it is dark outside, you can even shoot them in your driveway if they are breaking into your car. Daylight is a little different, since you can see if they are a physical threat to you or not (armed).
In TX it is legal to use lethal force to defend life AND property. Day, night, doesn't matter.
Old 09-22-2010 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JUISSD
In TX it is legal to use lethal force to defend life AND property. Day, night, doesn't matter.
check on that - i thought deadly force was only justifiable for criminal mischief, burgluray and theft at night.

i could be wrong though.......
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Originally Posted by triche
.45 and a pitt bull
.45 with a laser and a pit.
Old 09-22-2010 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JUISSD
In TX it is legal to use lethal force to defend life AND property. Day, night, doesn't matter.
Of course it matters... Texas penal code Sec 9.42

"Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and


(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury."
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