2011 5.0 Mustangs....
I love the LSX platform. It would be a very tough decision for me if I were to go out pony car shopping tomorrow. 11 Mustang vs. 11 Camaro SS
Both are relatively even in stock performance. Exterior styling is a tossup. I give Ford the slight edge in interior styling and a slightly bigger edge in available options for the money. Camaro wins in the “muscle car” feel category because we all know the LS motors sound like absolute beasts with an aftermarket cam.
For me, it would come down to “do I want a nice choppy idling h/c SS?”, or “do I want a roots blower powered 5.0 with that classic 2-chamber Flowmaster Mustang exhaust note?”. Like I said, it would be a very tough decision.
Or…do I go with a ever so gently used 2008 LS3 powered C6 Z51 equipped Corvette?…or maybe a Silver or Black 97-99 Viper GTS?...or maybe a fully built mint Stage II 9 second 1987 Buick Grand National?...hmmm
It's kind of hard to compare a $65k-$75k CTS-V to a $35K GT Mustang though.
The 4-door V is a great looking and performing car. I think the coupe looks like Betty the drive-thru manager of the local Wells Fargo would drive it to the post office and to pick up her presciption at CVS.
I'm really not bashing GM. It happened. I pointed it out.
I love the LSX platform. It would be a very tough decision for me if I were to go out pony car shopping tomorrow. 11 Mustang vs. 11 Camaro SS
Both are relatively even in stock performance. Exterior styling is a tossup. I give Ford the slight edge in interior styling and a slightly bigger edge in available options for the money. Camaro wins in the “muscle car” feel category because we all know the LS motors sound like absolute beasts with an aftermarket cam.
For me, it would come down to “do I want a nice choppy idling h/c SS?”, or “do I want a roots blower powered 5.0 with that classic 2-chamber Flowmaster Mustang exhaust note?”. Like I said, it would be a very tough decision.
Or…do I go with a ever so gently used 2008 LS3 powered C6 Z51 equipped Corvette?…or maybe a Silver or Black 97-99 Viper GTS?...or maybe a fully built mint Stage II 9 second 1987 Buick Grand National?...hmmm
I love the LSX platform. It would be a very tough decision for me if I were to go out pony car shopping tomorrow. 11 Mustang vs. 11 Camaro SS
Both are relatively even in stock performance. Exterior styling is a tossup. I give Ford the slight edge in interior styling and a slightly bigger edge in available options for the money. Camaro wins in the “muscle car” feel category because we all know the LS motors sound like absolute beasts with an aftermarket cam.
For me, it would come down to “do I want a nice choppy idling h/c SS?”, or “do I want a roots blower powered 5.0 with that classic 2-chamber Flowmaster Mustang exhaust note?”. Like I said, it would be a very tough decision.
Or…do I go with a ever so gently used 2008 LS3 powered C6 Z51 equipped Corvette?…or maybe a Silver or Black 97-99 Viper GTS?...or maybe a fully built mint Stage II 9 second 1987 Buick Grand National?...hmmm
I think its funny tho because now GM lsx cars are coming boosted from factory and Ford is going N/A. Owell, GM is still holding it down on all the other fields.
I got that original message and had a response to it, but nobody seemed to pay any attention to it. I guess it made too much sense.
Why would Ford do any drastic horsepower changes (pour money into R&D) all those years if they were winning the sales battle?
They started losing the sales battle last year when the 2010 Camaro hit the streets. Look what happened. Ford went with a higher HP engine in the GT Mustang. They finally had a reason/need to up the power.
Why would Ford do any drastic horsepower changes (pour money into R&D) all those years if they were winning the sales battle?
They started losing the sales battle last year when the 2010 Camaro hit the streets. Look what happened. Ford went with a higher HP engine in the GT Mustang. They finally had a reason/need to up the power.
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Now your going to a different ball game.
comparing science and physics to business?
Honestly. Maybe I'm the only dum **** out there to triple major Business engineering mechanics and electrical eng.
But if you want to talk about business methods and policies
MAKE ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT THAT!
And don't jump around like a catfish in low water about it
Going from one idea to another.
And ross. I do want to keep it clean here
And i don't want to make enemies especially over a forum
This will be the last time i post in this thread.
comparing science and physics to business?
Honestly. Maybe I'm the only dum **** out there to triple major Business engineering mechanics and electrical eng.
But if you want to talk about business methods and policies
MAKE ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT THAT!
And don't jump around like a catfish in low water about it
Going from one idea to another.
And ross. I do want to keep it clean here
And i don't want to make enemies especially over a forum
This will be the last time i post in this thread.
Oh and business decides what is engineered...
To keep things on topic, to each his own...
Plus it's a drivers race between the cars and the best styling is just a matter of taste.
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Verdad Gallardo I'd like to see Ford put out an updated version of the GT with a Whipple powered 5.4 putting out about 750hp to compete with the ZR1, and European exotics. They already offer the supercharger upgrade for the GT500.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=12300
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=12300
430 RWHP where did you get that number from. My wifes daily driver was putting down 470 rwhp H/C and bolt ons. Cam exhaust only put down 406 rwhp. Not knocking the stang but those ls numbers are off a bit.
You're right though, they had no reason to change anything if people were still buying their product.
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I got that original message and had a response to it, but nobody seemed to pay any attention to it. I guess it made too much sense.
Why would Ford do any drastic horsepower changes (pour money into R&D) all those years if they were winning the sales battle?
They started losing the sales battle last year when the 2010 Camaro hit the streets. Look what happened. Ford went with a higher HP engine in the GT Mustang. They finally had a reason/need to up the power.
Why would Ford do any drastic horsepower changes (pour money into R&D) all those years if they were winning the sales battle?
They started losing the sales battle last year when the 2010 Camaro hit the streets. Look what happened. Ford went with a higher HP engine in the GT Mustang. They finally had a reason/need to up the power.
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I'd like to see Ford put out an updated version of the GT with a Whipple powered 5.4 putting out about 750hp to compete with the ZR1, and European exotics. They already offer the supercharger upgrade for the GT500.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=12300
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=12300
It would be stupid of me to quote any freak HP H/C LS1 numbers. It would make my argument less convincing.
I will have to agree with Ross on 1 thing, from a Business stand point FORD could school GM on a few things or two... both companys are in the car sales business / $ financing $ not the after market performance business.... I'm sure GM loses it *** on alot of things.
But here on Tech we are all chasing the final HP #'s so with that said fck FORD LMAO
But here on Tech we are all chasing the final HP #'s so with that said fck FORD LMAO
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I've seen h/c ls1 put out anywhere from 400rwhp to up around 480rwhp. I threw 430rwhp because it seemed like a safe number for a smog legal h/c ls1 without a radical cam and with a middle of the road set of ported heads.
It would be stupid of me to quote any freak HP H/C LS1 numbers. It would make my argument less convincing.
It would be stupid of me to quote any freak HP H/C LS1 numbers. It would make my argument less convincing.
We buy our cars because thats what we want period. It's the same stuff on every form. Whats the ponit to this power,dollar per hp. I can argue a point with the best of them. Blower ls cars been making that 550 number you speak of for a long time.
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I guess that means it is a popular car then. I am not one for a punkstang and never have been, but when the time came to ****** up a GT500 I was all over it. Very pleasant car to drive. Doesn't mean I am a true Mustang fan. Hell When the new GT350 comes out I will have one of those also. A 5.0 with a factory supercharger will be another interesting one to have.
Ross sums it, Ford had bragging rights for 8 years so they didn't have to change anything, but now since the Fart Turd Boxmaro came out they lost sales. Don't think it was a overnight change, Ford has been planning on the return of the 5.0 for many years, they were just waiting for the right time.