The American War Machine
01-22-2011, 06:35 PM
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People act like if we leave Al Qaida (or Muslim extremists as a whole)alone, they will leave us alone or just go away. These people want to erase us from the face of the Earth! There is no middle ground for them and they will continue to pursue us until we are all dead or have become obedient Muslims. If we let up on them, they will just regroup and come back at us.
We do not need a war that lasts a decade. They should just fly in, level that shithole country, and make an example of why you don't f-ck with the USA. Ask Japan how well that worked out for us. We are a much better country when we don't worry about hurting feelings, when we didn't take **** from other countries that try to harm us.
If our current administration were in office back during WW2, we'd still be in Germany and Japan, trying to convert them to be Americans, and trying to be their big brother.
01-22-2011, 06:45 PM
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It is pathetic that so many people can watch this video and not figure out the message. It isn't about Joe Rogan, this vid/commentary could have come from anyone. That doesn't matter. It isn't about not supporting the troops. If you got that message, you are ignorant. Joe supports the troops, but feels sorry for them for giving their lives to support big corporations who are profiting from war. They are misled by our government.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual prouof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual prouof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
01-22-2011, 07:20 PM
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Maybe you could do some research and compare the profits back during WW2 to today's dollars and the profits made now. Bet you see a big disparity between then and now. Do you enjoy knowing your tax dollars, taken from money you earned yourself, gets spent so easily to make some corporations mega-rich? Because they could be overcharging and ripping off the system? Ever heard of those $500 toilet seats the government bought with our money? When is enough enough?
01-23-2011, 02:56 AM
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well, if you account for the fact that technology is much more advanced and therefore more expensive for the most part and factor in inflation, it should be no surprise that the profits seen today are much more than those seen during world war 2. it doesnt necessarily mean they were "ripped off" any less.
i've never heard of the 500 dollar toilet seat, but with a quick google search i could find no reliable source that this thing existed. looks like a bunch of rumors to me, but i'll bite. from what i can gather, the toilet seat was made for a submarine to a special specification which was not comercially available. therefore it needs to be custom made. as silly as it sounds, the company who makes it must spend money on R&D, the construction of a prototype, testing, and when the government approves they must spend even more money to mass produce these things. i dont really think this thing existed, but if it did, i can see where the money could come from.
another possibility is an accounting technique in which costs are essentially re-allocated to make the numbers look better. for instance if youre building a ship that costs x, with an engine that costs a, cannons that cost b, and toilet seats that cost c and you want to "reduce" the cost of engine , you subtract a certain amount, divide it by the number of components and add it to the price. so if you want to reduce the price of the engine by 20 bucks, you simply add ten bucks to the price of everything else. either way, the end price is the same. it is also possible the outrageous price is due to top-secret additions to the sub which would not appear on the budget sheet. the money was still spent so it needs to be reported somehow. my grandpa used to do this stuff when he was a contract negotiator for the air force and later Bell. he worked on various secret projects so this kind of accounting was his forte. for what its worth, a good friend of mine is working r&d at wright patterson for a project. he's always talking about how stingy they are with lab materials and such.
at any rate, the argument has shifted from joe rogan talking about how the government is in the business of ******* people over, selling drugs, and masterminding 9/11 to how the government is getting screwed by corporations. i agree, it does happen. fact of the matter is, much of it is not going unnoticed. look at oracle, biothrax, halliburton, etc.. there are certain safeguards in place to prevent this kind of thing. obviously they dont always work, but you cant really argue that these exceptions are the rule, and that they are the reason the country is at war
i've never heard of the 500 dollar toilet seat, but with a quick google search i could find no reliable source that this thing existed. looks like a bunch of rumors to me, but i'll bite. from what i can gather, the toilet seat was made for a submarine to a special specification which was not comercially available. therefore it needs to be custom made. as silly as it sounds, the company who makes it must spend money on R&D, the construction of a prototype, testing, and when the government approves they must spend even more money to mass produce these things. i dont really think this thing existed, but if it did, i can see where the money could come from.
another possibility is an accounting technique in which costs are essentially re-allocated to make the numbers look better. for instance if youre building a ship that costs x, with an engine that costs a, cannons that cost b, and toilet seats that cost c and you want to "reduce" the cost of engine , you subtract a certain amount, divide it by the number of components and add it to the price. so if you want to reduce the price of the engine by 20 bucks, you simply add ten bucks to the price of everything else. either way, the end price is the same. it is also possible the outrageous price is due to top-secret additions to the sub which would not appear on the budget sheet. the money was still spent so it needs to be reported somehow. my grandpa used to do this stuff when he was a contract negotiator for the air force and later Bell. he worked on various secret projects so this kind of accounting was his forte. for what its worth, a good friend of mine is working r&d at wright patterson for a project. he's always talking about how stingy they are with lab materials and such.
at any rate, the argument has shifted from joe rogan talking about how the government is in the business of ******* people over, selling drugs, and masterminding 9/11 to how the government is getting screwed by corporations. i agree, it does happen. fact of the matter is, much of it is not going unnoticed. look at oracle, biothrax, halliburton, etc.. there are certain safeguards in place to prevent this kind of thing. obviously they dont always work, but you cant really argue that these exceptions are the rule, and that they are the reason the country is at war
01-23-2011, 10:45 AM
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I dont think its the corporations screwing the govt.. Its the corporations screwing the american people through the govt.. Maybe you should look at the ties between govt. and corporate america.. Most if not all politicians are bought.. Look at the appointment of that G.E. guy that just happened.. WTF that dude has cut more jobs than most.. Like i said.. "get while the gettins good"
01-23-2011, 01:38 PM
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I dont think its the corporations screwing the govt.. Its the corporations screwing the american people through the govt.. Maybe you should look at the ties between govt. and corporate america.. Most if not all politicians are bought.. Look at the appointment of that G.E. guy that just happened.. WTF that dude has cut more jobs than most.. Like i said.. "get while the gettins good"
01-24-2011, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball;14398026
If our current administration were in office back during WW2, we'd [U
If our current administration were in office back during WW2, we'd [U
still[/U] be in Germany and Japan, trying to convert them to be Americans, and trying to be their big brother.
In fact other than Vietnam we have NEVER backed out of a country that we have invaded. Obama has no intention of us ever leaving and neither did Bush. All the **** you see on TV and newspapers is all smoke and mirrors. For instance in 08 when Obama ordered all combat troops out of Iraq... THEY NEVER LEFT. They just said they did on the news, but it was a flat out lie. I know because i was in Mosul when Obama made the announcement. Seriously guys stop watching the news. This video is no more credible than a Disney fairytale. I dont think we will ever leave Iraq. Because if the U.S can ever set up an established ally withing the government then we have one more foot in the middle east.
In our history we have always done the same thing... Invade, rebuild, create allies. Germany and Japan were up on their own damn feet within the first three years. The pieces of **** in the middle east have been given freedom and all they can think of to do is kill. Kill each other, kill themselves, and kill Americans. It is not our fault the are still fighting. I think it would have benefited the whole damn planet more if we would have just recreated the Gulf war every 10 years or so... (Blow up everything, kick ***, and bounce)
And on the money issue... Anyone here ever wonder why Houston's economy has been doing so well during this deficit? Anyone here aware that the war in Iraq and Afghanistan cost over $400 billion a year? Anyone aware that almost half of that money has been poured into Houston based companies? We have all been benefiting from this war, and if the war actually ends... we will be hurting bad.
01-24-2011, 01:37 AM
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It is pathetic that so many people can watch this video and not figure out the message. It isn't about Joe Rogan, this vid/commentary could have come from anyone. That doesn't matter. It isn't about not supporting the troops. If you got that message, you are ignorant. Joe supports the troops, but feels sorry for them for giving their lives to support big corporations who are profiting from war. They are misled by our government.
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Agreed, they will not leave us alone. Instead of the "strike hard and swift" philosophy that this great country once stood by, we have become the "strike slowly and make friends, try to change people that don't want to change, and try not to hurt anyone's feelings."
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If our current administration were in office back during WW2, we'd still be in Germany and Japan, trying to convert them to be Americans, and trying to be their big brother.
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If our current administration were in office back during WW2, we'd still be in Germany and Japan, trying to convert them to be Americans, and trying to be their big brother.
I was stationed in Germany from 2006-2010. We also have bases in Japan, and South Korea. This needs to be the example our government follows for Iraq and Afghanistan. We SHOULD keep big bases in those countries and maintain a presence for decades, because it will provide stability to the region.
The autobahn was fun.
Edit-Also for anyone that is so quick to criticize these companies. It's so much better to eat, and live on bases that have the major contractors providing services compared to when it's just run by the military its ridiculous.
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01-24-2011, 11:16 AM
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In our history we have always done the same thing... Invade, rebuild, create allies. Germany and Japan were up on their own damn feet within the first three years. The pieces of **** in the middle east have been given freedom and all they can think of to do is kill. Kill each other, kill themselves, and kill Americans. It is not our fault the are still fighting.
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01-24-2011, 11:54 AM
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Joe did do alot of drugs but some of his point will make you seach.One for instance is Operation Northwood read into it and I bet it will make you question 9/11
01-24-2011, 11:20 PM
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no.....not really. you would think if george bush wanted to go to war so bad he would have at least had evidence of wmd's planted so that he wouldnt take so much **** over it.
07-20-2011, 10:04 AM
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This is an old thread, but couldn't resist. The truth is that our way of doing things in this country - (republic with "free markets" to some extent and capitalism)- with the present evils here and abroad is the best way we know to date, without truly putting God first in all our lives. Guaranteeing ourselves control over oil supplies elsewhere is the best way at the current time to maintain world peace, as we see it. The world surely doesn't want N. Korea controlling the oil supply.
Until the world learns to put the 10 commandments first, and all evil is rooted out, it's about the best we got. But, as history tends to show, capitalism or consumerism or socialism will always have it's shortfallings due to cronyism and corruption. It's amazing how a wise and just individual can lose his job these days due to corruption (losing your job b/c of other people's sins).
National Covenant... God made this thousands of years ago with Israel. But once a Nation loses its faith and quits putting God first, the nation will falter. And I believe the Covenant goes for any nation these days as I believe we are all nations and peoples under God. We must remeber what Jesus said in the Gospel when asked by the pharisees which of the commandments was the most important (the commandments go back to Moses' times - way before Jesus) and the answer was the first. It is the first b/c it is the hardest for us humans to abide to. The next most important is the second commandment.
Until the world learns to put the 10 commandments first, and all evil is rooted out, it's about the best we got. But, as history tends to show, capitalism or consumerism or socialism will always have it's shortfallings due to cronyism and corruption. It's amazing how a wise and just individual can lose his job these days due to corruption (losing your job b/c of other people's sins).
National Covenant... God made this thousands of years ago with Israel. But once a Nation loses its faith and quits putting God first, the nation will falter. And I believe the Covenant goes for any nation these days as I believe we are all nations and peoples under God. We must remeber what Jesus said in the Gospel when asked by the pharisees which of the commandments was the most important (the commandments go back to Moses' times - way before Jesus) and the answer was the first. It is the first b/c it is the hardest for us humans to abide to. The next most important is the second commandment.
07-20-2011, 10:51 AM
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Now... On Wars.... Many wars in history were an act of God. Just look up the phrase "force majeure" in an English dictionary not a French one (it's a french pharse).
The problem is that everytime we go to war in this country we have to print a bunch of money, and we can't afford that anymore. When you can't stimulate the economy unless the Treausry prints money via issuance of Treausry Bonds, then eventually, your country will bankrupt itself. Why? B/C the tax code is a function of GDP. More GDP means more tax revenue. The budget is a function of consumption. When an American Refinery consumes a barrell of crude oil from Saudi Arabia, we can't tax the transaction as income b/c the sale is on a Saudi company's books and IRS has no jurisdiction. So our consumption (budget) just increased but GDP (which tax revenue relies on) just decreased b/c imports reduce GDP (D stands for domestic). The end result is a budget deficit and a growing national debt and a loss of faith in the currency (b/c it's not backed by anything other than faith in the country's ability to pay it's debts). So what is the solution to this war problem? Well, you either increase domestic sources of oil, decrease domestic consumption of oil, or a lot of both.
Now, I've got to run to the gas station, my 1/2 ton is about out of gas.
The problem is that everytime we go to war in this country we have to print a bunch of money, and we can't afford that anymore. When you can't stimulate the economy unless the Treausry prints money via issuance of Treausry Bonds, then eventually, your country will bankrupt itself. Why? B/C the tax code is a function of GDP. More GDP means more tax revenue. The budget is a function of consumption. When an American Refinery consumes a barrell of crude oil from Saudi Arabia, we can't tax the transaction as income b/c the sale is on a Saudi company's books and IRS has no jurisdiction. So our consumption (budget) just increased but GDP (which tax revenue relies on) just decreased b/c imports reduce GDP (D stands for domestic). The end result is a budget deficit and a growing national debt and a loss of faith in the currency (b/c it's not backed by anything other than faith in the country's ability to pay it's debts). So what is the solution to this war problem? Well, you either increase domestic sources of oil, decrease domestic consumption of oil, or a lot of both.
Now, I've got to run to the gas station, my 1/2 ton is about out of gas.
