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FormerVendor
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From: Houston, Tx.
What is the inspection process you use to measure journal sizes/roundness? What is the tolerance on that spec?
What hardness does the journal spec call out for?
Does Callies inspect every crank individually or just a % of batches?
Are inspection reports generated for each crank/serial number?
What is the heat treat/stress relieve process and is it documented?
Which ISO certification does Callies currently hold?
Where are these Crankshafts machined? USA or China
How often are inspection instruments calibrated? In house or third party?
Documentation on calibrated instruments?
Material specs documentation/review?
I have bought several Callies crankshafts and have never have one fail. Just curious as to what Callies processes consist of and how it's Quality Control department handles measuring/documentation of tolerances.
I would hope that the Chinese Callies products are inspected here in the USA...
What hardness does the journal spec call out for?
Does Callies inspect every crank individually or just a % of batches?
Are inspection reports generated for each crank/serial number?
What is the heat treat/stress relieve process and is it documented?
Which ISO certification does Callies currently hold?
Where are these Crankshafts machined? USA or China
How often are inspection instruments calibrated? In house or third party?
Documentation on calibrated instruments?
Material specs documentation/review?
I have bought several Callies crankshafts and have never have one fail. Just curious as to what Callies processes consist of and how it's Quality Control department handles measuring/documentation of tolerances.
I would hope that the Chinese Callies products are inspected here in the USA...
I'm sure they are pretty stringent as they do some OEM work as well there. Hardness and heat treat is somewhat different probably across all the different cranks they offer and alloys used.
From micing several cranks a day they are always very nice as opposed to the chinese stuff we have going through often as well which vary a lot.
These are on the Callies and Compstar webpages and list some of the stuff you were asking about.
http://www.callies.com/crankshafts/
http://www.callies.com/compstar/
FormerVendor
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 335
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From: Fostoria, OHIO
What is the inspection process you use to measure journal sizes/roundness? What is the tolerance on that spec?
Measured with an Air Snap Gauge
(LS mains = 2.5594 to 2.5588)
(2.000pin = 1.9995 to 1.9990)
(2.100pin = 2.0995 to 2.0990)
What hardness does the journal spec call out for?
ALL METALS ARE CERTIFIED
NITRIDE DEPTH = .006 MIN WITH ONLY .020 TOLERANCE
HRC = 60
Does Callies inspect every crank individually or just a % of batches?
EVERY CRANKSHAFT CALLIES AND COMPSTAR IS INSPECTED AT EVERY OPERATION
*Inspection sheets follow the crank, start to finish
Are inspection reports generated for each crank/serial number?
EVERY CRANKSHAFT CALLIES AND COMPSTAR IS INSPECTED AT EVERY OPERATION
*Inspection sheets follow the crank, start to finish
What is the heat treat/stress relieve process and is it documented?
HEAT TREATMENT = PERMA CASE DEEP NITRIDE
TOKENS ARE USED TO MEASURE AND TRACK CONSISTANT DEPTH
Which ISO certification does Callies currently hold?
ISO IS NO REQUIRED IN THE HIGH PERFORMANCE MARKET
HOWEVER WITH OUR SUPPLIER STATUS TO GM / FORD WE HOLD CERTIFICATION TO MAINTAIN SUPPLIER REQUIREMENTS
Where are these Crankshafts machined? USA or China
CALLIES BRANDED CRANKS (INCLUDING ULTRA RODS) = 100% USA
COMPSTAR MACHINED OFF SHORE, ENGINEERED / FINISHED / INSPECTED @ CALLIES IN FOSTORIA OH
How often are inspection instruments calibrated? In house or third party?
DEPENDS ON THE GIVEN EQUIPMENT
INTERNAL AND EXTERAL CALIBRATION /INSPECTION
3MONTHS
6 MONTHS
1 YEAR
DAILY OR BEFORE AND AFTER USE
FUN FACTS:
OUR DOORS ARE ALWAYS OPEN, CALL FOR A TOUR
102924 CRANKSHAFTS PRODUCED BY CALLIES SINCE 1989
(17 A DAY AVERAGE, NOT INCLUDING SPECIAL PROJECTS)
Over 200,000 sq. ft. of Engineering, Administrative, Manufacturing and Warehousing space
Employment: 60 to 75
Technical and Professional staff including:
Product & Manufacturing Engineers
Metallurgist
CNC Programming Specialists
Maintenance
QC Inspection
Fatigue testing specialist
Measured with an Air Snap Gauge
(LS mains = 2.5594 to 2.5588)
(2.000pin = 1.9995 to 1.9990)
(2.100pin = 2.0995 to 2.0990)
What hardness does the journal spec call out for?
ALL METALS ARE CERTIFIED
NITRIDE DEPTH = .006 MIN WITH ONLY .020 TOLERANCE
HRC = 60
Does Callies inspect every crank individually or just a % of batches?
EVERY CRANKSHAFT CALLIES AND COMPSTAR IS INSPECTED AT EVERY OPERATION
*Inspection sheets follow the crank, start to finish
Are inspection reports generated for each crank/serial number?
EVERY CRANKSHAFT CALLIES AND COMPSTAR IS INSPECTED AT EVERY OPERATION
*Inspection sheets follow the crank, start to finish
What is the heat treat/stress relieve process and is it documented?
HEAT TREATMENT = PERMA CASE DEEP NITRIDE
TOKENS ARE USED TO MEASURE AND TRACK CONSISTANT DEPTH
Which ISO certification does Callies currently hold?
ISO IS NO REQUIRED IN THE HIGH PERFORMANCE MARKET
HOWEVER WITH OUR SUPPLIER STATUS TO GM / FORD WE HOLD CERTIFICATION TO MAINTAIN SUPPLIER REQUIREMENTS
Where are these Crankshafts machined? USA or China
CALLIES BRANDED CRANKS (INCLUDING ULTRA RODS) = 100% USA
COMPSTAR MACHINED OFF SHORE, ENGINEERED / FINISHED / INSPECTED @ CALLIES IN FOSTORIA OH
How often are inspection instruments calibrated? In house or third party?
DEPENDS ON THE GIVEN EQUIPMENT
INTERNAL AND EXTERAL CALIBRATION /INSPECTION
3MONTHS
6 MONTHS
1 YEAR
DAILY OR BEFORE AND AFTER USE
FUN FACTS:
OUR DOORS ARE ALWAYS OPEN, CALL FOR A TOUR
102924 CRANKSHAFTS PRODUCED BY CALLIES SINCE 1989
(17 A DAY AVERAGE, NOT INCLUDING SPECIAL PROJECTS)
Over 200,000 sq. ft. of Engineering, Administrative, Manufacturing and Warehousing space
Employment: 60 to 75
Technical and Professional staff including:
Product & Manufacturing Engineers
Metallurgist
CNC Programming Specialists
Maintenance
QC Inspection
Fatigue testing specialist
Any NDE tests performed in the manufacturing process(UT, Mag, Hardness,)? Are NDE tests included in the inspection reports?
In-process inspection is great but very bias... I'm not a huge fan of Chinese products due to the material failures I have witnessed in the oilfield industry.
I am not in any way second guessing Callies processes. I am just curious as to how these parts are monitored as far as Quality standards are concerned.
Thank you Callies for the answers. If I have more questions in the future, who is the contact at Callies that I should get in touch with?
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Verdad Gallardo FormerVendor
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 335
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From: Fostoria, OHIO
If you have any questions you can call the number in my Sig. As stated above, we test in various ways, in terms of Metal, our in house metallurgist, controls hardness and inspection, and failure analysis. We also perform torsional as well as (r=-1) bending in house. During final inspection, ALL cranks are Mag particle tested.
I can throw out fancy terms and explain what we do, but at the end of the day when an engine builder pulls a Callies crank out of the box, AND DOES NOT NEED to TIR(straighten) a crank, use plus or minus bearings, find radius issues.....We know we have done our job and supplied a superior product, and that goes for Compstar as well.
-Adam
I can throw out fancy terms and explain what we do, but at the end of the day when an engine builder pulls a Callies crank out of the box, AND DOES NOT NEED to TIR(straighten) a crank, use plus or minus bearings, find radius issues.....We know we have done our job and supplied a superior product, and that goes for Compstar as well.
-Adam
If you have any questions you can call the number in my Sig. As stated above, we test in various ways, in terms of Metal, our in house metallurgist, controls hardness and inspection, and failure analysis. We also perform torsional as well as (r=-1) bending in house. During final inspection, ALL cranks are Mag particle tested.
I can throw out fancy terms and explain what we do, but at the end of the day when an engine builder pulls a Callies crank out of the box, AND DOES NOT NEED to TIR(straighten) a crank, use plus or minus bearings, find radius issues.....We know we have done our job and supplied a superior product, and that goes for Compstar as well.
-Adam
I can throw out fancy terms and explain what we do, but at the end of the day when an engine builder pulls a Callies crank out of the box, AND DOES NOT NEED to TIR(straighten) a crank, use plus or minus bearings, find radius issues.....We know we have done our job and supplied a superior product, and that goes for Compstar as well.
-Adam
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[QUOTE=Nick K;14684233]
In-process inspection is great but very bias... I'm not a huge fan of Chinese products due to the material failures I have witnessed in the oilfield industry.
QUOTE]
WTF???
am i reading this right?? THESE bad *** LSX's have some chinese made products in them???
In-process inspection is great but very bias... I'm not a huge fan of Chinese products due to the material failures I have witnessed in the oilfield industry.
QUOTE]
WTF???
am i reading this right?? THESE bad *** LSX's have some chinese made products in them???
[QUOTE=sc300;14684340]Exactly.
FormerVendor
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 335
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From: Fostoria, OHIO
In-process inspection is great but very bias... I'm not a huge fan of Chinese products due to the material failures I have witnessed in the oilfield industry.
WTF???
am i reading this right?? THESE bad *** LSX's have some chinese made products in them???[/QUOTE]
Pretty black and white...
CALLIES BRANDED PRODUCTS ARE 100% AMERICAN
OUR OTHER BRAND COMPSTAR, IS MACHINED OVER SEAS, AND WE FINISH THEM
WTF???
am i reading this right?? THESE bad *** LSX's have some chinese made products in them???[/QUOTE]
Pretty black and white...
CALLIES BRANDED PRODUCTS ARE 100% AMERICAN
OUR OTHER BRAND COMPSTAR, IS MACHINED OVER SEAS, AND WE FINISH THEM
CALLIES BRANDED PRODUCTS ARE 100% AMERICAN
OUR OTHER BRAND COMPSTAR, IS MACHINED OVER SEAS, AND WE FINISH THEM[/QUOTE]
Does "over seas" mean China?
FormerVendor
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 335
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From: Fostoria, OHIO
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Overseas means not here in the U.S and yes some of the stuff is made in China.
We have NEVER hidden that fact from the very start with Compstar. Now that being said there are major differences between us and the manupackers out there. Alot of these are reason why we were also one of the last companies to get involved with overseas parts too.
1 - We make cranks and have now for over 45 years (if you include our OEM side of the business)
2 - We actually have employees in the overseas facilities to follow our products and inspect them.
3- We actually supply the raw materials to the manufacturing facilities. That we know what our stuff is made out of and blended to our specs.
Always remember just like anything else in life you get what you pay for....
Now you also know why we charge more for our product vs. the others.
We have NEVER hidden that fact from the very start with Compstar. Now that being said there are major differences between us and the manupackers out there. Alot of these are reason why we were also one of the last companies to get involved with overseas parts too.
1 - We make cranks and have now for over 45 years (if you include our OEM side of the business)
2 - We actually have employees in the overseas facilities to follow our products and inspect them.
3- We actually supply the raw materials to the manufacturing facilities. That we know what our stuff is made out of and blended to our specs.
Always remember just like anything else in life you get what you pay for....
Now you also know why we charge more for our product vs. the others.
Joel (also owns the white TT Viper that is recently argued about) bought the Corvette, and yes it should be at the Mile. RC picked up the rear wheels from my place yesterday, to go get the race tires mounted.