Which Republican Candidate and Why
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Does anyone have a good reliable place to get some truthful information on the candidates?
I'm so sick of trying to weed through crap I am losing interest. It's like trying to sit through a bullshit Fox news broadcast without throwing up my hands and yelling "wtf?!"
I'm so sick of trying to weed through crap I am losing interest. It's like trying to sit through a bullshit Fox news broadcast without throwing up my hands and yelling "wtf?!"
These days, my strategy is to take a little in here and there and try to read between the lines. Any news with an opinion woven in is going to be BS on some level, but that doesn't mean that you may not learn something about a candidate from his enemies effort to discredit them. So, I try to listen to a little from each and not too much from any one source.
I also am skeptical of everything I hear no matter the source.
When I listen to the candidates directly (with my BS filter on maximum) I only listen to actual plans and specifics. I ignore all hyperbole and pandering. Most of the time, that means nothing they say was of any use.
I also ask: Who benefits from what this guy is selling. Typically I found it is a rich contributor and not me.
I am against anyone who takes away my rights. I am for anyone who protects my interests.
That is how I do it.
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ya are saying that ya are voting for who ever is running against OBAMA..but don't even know who he is or what he has to say
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HOW IRONIC!!!!!!!!!
im not an Obama supporter, but he will destroy most of the current candidates in a debate..They all sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!
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all im seeing from you guy is that picture of the guy to right with his eyes and ears closed..
ya are saying that ya are voting for who ever is running against OBAMA..but don't even know who he is or what he has to say![Huh](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/huh.gif)
HOW IRONIC!!!!!!!!!
im not an Obama supporter, but he will destroy most of the current candidates in a debate..They all sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!
ya are saying that ya are voting for who ever is running against OBAMA..but don't even know who he is or what he has to say
![Huh](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/huh.gif)
HOW IRONIC!!!!!!!!!
im not an Obama supporter, but he will destroy most of the current candidates in a debate..They all sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uhhhh, No irony. The GOP candidates may stink, but they still smell better than comrade Obama. We already know the bang up job Obama has done this term, sure as hell not pulling the lever for him to try another 4 years. As for debates, Newt and Romney would destroy Obama in a debate. While I am not a fan of Newt, they are both forthright and effective in articulating their beliefs. Obama is lost without his damn teleprompter.
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here are some white papers i tracked down for each of the candidates, courtesy of club for growth. seems to be pretty straight forward
Gingrich- http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepa...sec=137&id=903
Romney-http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepapers/?subsec=137&id=905
Paul- http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepa...sec=137&id=921
Santorum- http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepa...sec=137&id=902
Gingrich- http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepa...sec=137&id=903
Romney-http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepapers/?subsec=137&id=905
Paul- http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepa...sec=137&id=921
Santorum- http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepa...sec=137&id=902
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If these canidates are all the Republican Party has to offer then they are in bad shape. All I keep hearing is what Obama hasn't done. However, i haven't heard not one canidates plan for our country. I cant wait to see how Obama embarrass them when they debate. Obama will win by a landslide just like he did his first term without all the redneck southern states.
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How? We don't need to spend any more money bombing other countries. We need to spend money here at home where we need it the most. Hasn't 11 years of war been enough? All the bad guys responsible for 9/11 (and then some) are dead, the bad guys in Iraq are all dead. We don't need to subsidize the world anymore, especially when it's beginning to seriously impact our way of life. It's time to stop focusing on the world and focus on home for once.
Ron Paul got booed saying that the United States needs to treat other nations as we would like to be treated. That's the golden rule. Ron Paul got booed for respecting the golden rule. Since when was the golden rule unpopular?
We have too many issues at home to worry about right now to even consider electing another War Hawk like Newt.
Ron Paul got booed saying that the United States needs to treat other nations as we would like to be treated. That's the golden rule. Ron Paul got booed for respecting the golden rule. Since when was the golden rule unpopular?
We have too many issues at home to worry about right now to even consider electing another War Hawk like Newt.
sure its expensive, but that's the price we pay for living in such a small, globalized world. failure to intervene in certain situations could yield disastrous consequences. for example, if the united states did not intervene in world war 2, much of the world would be speaking german. in like manner, if france did not intervene in 1778, the whole idea of american interventionism would be a non-issue.
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Great Ron Paul Video. I'll vote for him.
This one tops them all in my opinion. Take a couple minutes and watch it all the way through. I hope people wake up and stop drinking the coolaid. BTW, my family is a military one, with my brother as a Navy Special Ops(SWCC).
Hope more people get the message.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM
This one tops them all in my opinion. Take a couple minutes and watch it all the way through. I hope people wake up and stop drinking the coolaid. BTW, my family is a military one, with my brother as a Navy Special Ops(SWCC).
Hope more people get the message.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM
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None of them have a chance against Obama. The republican party has decayed into a pile of mindless dogmatic Automatons that haven't had an original idea since Ronald Reagan left the white house. Thank god the Gipper past on before he had to see all that he worked for turned to ****.
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Always remember what the Far Left and the Far Right have in common. They are both idiots.
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in an era in which weapons of mass destruction, nuclear and otherwise, are so common throughout the world, a policy of non-interventionism is outright dangerous. fact of the matter is, the existence of an entity with such a preponderance of power has made the world a much more stable and i daresay, safe, place.
Looking at the pattern of our "interventions" post WWII, it is very easy to see that our "interventions" have been motivated by self interest(mostly financial) and not benevolence.
Now, we are broke and slowly losing our role as "the" world leader. It is time to stop believing our own hype and start making intelligent policy. If we don't, we might soon be referred to as that "once great nation".
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On a serious note, the war against drugs in america will never end.
America has the power and intel to eliminate the drug trade in a single strike if it wanted too im sure. But if all of the major drug figures are eliminated and the drug trade is severly crippled. Do you know how many people will be out of work in america? I suspect 1000s upon 1000s. Sad but true.
America has the power and intel to eliminate the drug trade in a single strike if it wanted too im sure. But if all of the major drug figures are eliminated and the drug trade is severly crippled. Do you know how many people will be out of work in america? I suspect 1000s upon 1000s. Sad but true.
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I have seen no evidence that our interventions have done any more good than harm.
Looking at the pattern of our "interventions" post WWII, it is very easy to see that our "interventions" have been motivated by self interest(mostly financial) and not benevolence.
Now, we are broke and slowly losing our role as "the" world leader. It is time to stop believing our own hype and start making intelligent policy. If we don't, we might soon be referred to as that "once great nation".
Looking at the pattern of our "interventions" post WWII, it is very easy to see that our "interventions" have been motivated by self interest(mostly financial) and not benevolence.
Now, we are broke and slowly losing our role as "the" world leader. It is time to stop believing our own hype and start making intelligent policy. If we don't, we might soon be referred to as that "once great nation".
thing is, the cold war is over and world politics have changed. so too has american interventionism, which has shifted towards humanitarianism. take, for example kuwait, somalia and kosovo. then you have iraq and afghanistan, which had legitimate national security concerns. whether the missions there are over is debatable, but what isn't is the fact that the intervention itself wasn't expensive. it was the nation building thereafter.
as for the present, i would rather keep up military spending, keep our bases, engage in very selective intervention and have the rest of the world believe that we will kick their *** if they go haywire than read in the newspaper that jerusalem, new delhi, and seoul have been nuked, russians have overrun the caucuses, and china is seeking revenge for the rape of nanking because ron paul doesn't want to step on anybody's toes and violate their right to kill each other.
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America is already gone. Ron Paul is the only one who stands for what the USA is all about but its to late. The central banks have already taken over. Only thing that will over turn this is a mass awakening of THE PEOPLE.
All you that really believe that nonsense about the foreign policy are just bobble headed **** tards. The 2 party dictatorship is feeding you bs sheep food and your eating it faster than you can say NEW WORLD ORDER.
Welcome to the death of the last free place on earth in exchange for false security. Fools.
All you that really believe that nonsense about the foreign policy are just bobble headed **** tards. The 2 party dictatorship is feeding you bs sheep food and your eating it faster than you can say NEW WORLD ORDER.
Welcome to the death of the last free place on earth in exchange for false security. Fools.
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"Intervening" in WWII would actually be the kind of thing Ron Paul would be for. They attacked America and we retaliated, to defend our country. It wasnt something we had no business jumping into. He is for strengthening the borders of our country which would help deter and help prevent the likelyhood of something like that happening.
Policing other countries to protect ours will be worthless if we become bankrupt. It's also sad that people will just vote for whoever because they oppose another candidate. Voting for one ******** to prevent another ******** from getting into office doesnt seem like the best way to go about improving or making things better. I'd go with Ron Paul. I just like what he has to say, and he seems very honest, sincere, and like he actually has this country's best interest at heart, along with all the people in it.
Policing other countries to protect ours will be worthless if we become bankrupt. It's also sad that people will just vote for whoever because they oppose another candidate. Voting for one ******** to prevent another ******** from getting into office doesnt seem like the best way to go about improving or making things better. I'd go with Ron Paul. I just like what he has to say, and he seems very honest, sincere, and like he actually has this country's best interest at heart, along with all the people in it.
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You know I dont think its going to be really hard to debate against Obama this time. The guy promised everything in the world last election and nothing he has done has helped. He doesn't have anything that he can say that wont be easily debunked by saying "you said that 4 year ago and you didn't get it done" or "it didn't work last time you did it why should we do it again". The only thing that he can really say is I passed Obamacare and hell everyone is trying to get rid of that.
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Kosovo was a whole other story. For years everyone knew where Milosevic was, yet they left him there. There was a bunch more going on there than we know. Humanitarian issues may have been served by our actions, but I suspect that was more "cleanup" than anything.
Somalia seems to be on the level humanitarianism for as much as I know.
The real deal is most of our foreign policy is serving many other interests other than our security. Mostly what is called "making the world safe for commerce" or in plain language, serving corporate special interest. I am completely skeptical of anything they try to cover up with flag waving. It is typically bullshit.
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"Intervening" in WWII would actually be the kind of thing Ron Paul would be for. They attacked America and we retaliated, to defend our country. It wasnt something we had no business jumping into. He is for strengthening the borders of our country which would help deter and help prevent the likelyhood of something like that happening.
Policing other countries to protect ours will be worthless if we become bankrupt. It's also sad that people will just vote for whoever because they oppose another candidate. Voting for one ******** to prevent another ******** from getting into office doesnt seem like the best way to go about improving or making things better. I'd go with Ron Paul. I just like what he has to say, and he seems very honest, sincere, and like he actually has this country's best interest at heart, along with all the people in it.
Policing other countries to protect ours will be worthless if we become bankrupt. It's also sad that people will just vote for whoever because they oppose another candidate. Voting for one ******** to prevent another ******** from getting into office doesnt seem like the best way to go about improving or making things better. I'd go with Ron Paul. I just like what he has to say, and he seems very honest, sincere, and like he actually has this country's best interest at heart, along with all the people in it.
-Border control is not a uniquely Ron Paul issue.
-I agree that spending must be controlled, but national security must remain a priority.
-I also agree that voting blindly is not a good idea--that's how we got Obama
Haha you know nothing of WW2 I can tell. And why is it the Swiss have never had any terrorists blow them up. They have just as many fast food joints and freedoms as we do? Non-intervention wih a strong military does work. You are just to blinded into thinking the US needs to be world police. Please find me one empire that is around today that continued to police the world.....and guess what you won't b.c it cost too much money and your empire will fall b.c of it. The Chinese found this out, too bad we might have to fall to realize the truth.
-Apparently they don't attack Switzerland, because they like to bank there http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-e...ocuments/50264
-It's easy to say that non-intervention with a strong military works, because the rest of the world doesn't have to worry about intervening as the United States and/or the UN does it for them
-What other empire/country has become powerful enough to be "world police" ? Don't you dare say England...
-Kind of confused about the Chinese comment. The Chinese were incredibly isolationist until the Europeans came in and raped them for their resources. They pretty much sucked until the Mao came, and now I'd say they're doing pretty well for themselves. Perhaps you're thinking of the Mongol Empire?
No way. Kuwait.........Oil. Iraq.............Oil. Afghanistan..............was originally a response to 911. Now could legitimately be argued we are doing it for the right reasons.
Kosovo was a whole other story. For years everyone knew where Milosevic was, yet they left him there. There was a bunch more going on there than we know. Humanitarian issues may have been served by our actions, but I suspect that was more "cleanup" than anything.
Somalia seems to be on the level humanitarianism for as much as I know.
The real deal is most of our foreign policy is serving many other interests other than our security. Mostly what is called "making the world safe for commerce" or in plain language, serving corporate special interest. I am completely skeptical of anything they try to cover up with flag waving. It is typically bullshit.
Kosovo was a whole other story. For years everyone knew where Milosevic was, yet they left him there. There was a bunch more going on there than we know. Humanitarian issues may have been served by our actions, but I suspect that was more "cleanup" than anything.
Somalia seems to be on the level humanitarianism for as much as I know.
The real deal is most of our foreign policy is serving many other interests other than our security. Mostly what is called "making the world safe for commerce" or in plain language, serving corporate special interest. I am completely skeptical of anything they try to cover up with flag waving. It is typically bullshit.
-Where is all of this oil you say we're getting from Iraq? ftp://ftp.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/pe...nt/import.html
http://205.254.135.7/countries/count...fm?fips=IZ#pet
-http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/spiesfly/images/phot_1999_kosovograves.jpg this is why we were in Kosovo, not the overthrow of communist government or mineral deposits
- Though many corporations have undoubtedly benefited from various interventions and whatnot, I would like an example of how the United States government used the military for purely "corporate special interests"
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Japan did attack the US, which was an ally of Germany and Italy, the Axis Powers. They were on the same side so not sure how you can say that being attacked wasnt one of the main reasons we went to war. We were officially neutral before that point.
Also border control may not be uniquely Ron Paul, but using our current resources to do it, instead of spending more money, is. We still have military in a lot of places where it is no longer needed.
Also border control may not be uniquely Ron Paul, but using our current resources to do it, instead of spending more money, is. We still have military in a lot of places where it is no longer needed.
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Do you not realize we are the sole reason we have all these issues? Our intervening has caused all these problems....Iran did not start in 1979, it started back in 1953 by us KILLING a elected official.
That is not where I was going with that. Just remember what I said the Chinese have figured us out. Only thing is, they might have bought the wrong country.
Not to mention Iran aquired sensitive stealth technology due to interventionalism. Israel has 300 nukes. Let them handle Iran.
Iraq cost over four thousand American lives, and billions upon billions of borrowed dollars. It achieved absolutely nothing. The country is on the brink of civil war. They are selling their oil to the Chinese.
Afghanistan, another waste of American lives and money. Its going to end up like the Iraq scenario. I believe the only reason we are there is the mineral deposits in the mountains, that nobody is talking about anymore. Bush took care of Osama's threat when he froze all his bank accounts. Obama killed him for some positive light on his dismal track record. In the history of the presidency of the US, the people have held the president responsible for the economy. Even though Congress has the impact on jobs.
People want to keep the military bases open. Except the people in the military. Ron Paul has recieved more campaign contributions from the military than any ther candidate. That is including our President.
Close the military bases around the world. We still have the carriers, nuke subs, and the missile that can hit anywhere in the world inside an hour.
The isolationist arguement against Ron Paul is just as weak as the racist one.
I also don't believe the Chinese are that big of a threat. There is an extreme dissention throughout the population. Companies are pulling out of their country and coming back to America. They don't have copyright protections the US offers.
Also, Japan attacked the US because it cut off their resources.
End corporatism. End the interventionalism. Give power back to the States. Vote for Ron Paul.