***Texas Mile Update!!***
As many Mile pulls that I have done I completely disagree.
take it to an extreme and see if your logic stands...............
roll to the half mile at 20 mph then hit it until the Mile marker. I GUARANTEE your Mile speed will be less than if you hit it like a 1/4 mile pass all the way down.
I will agree the first half isn't as important as the second half, but every foot DOES count. I have missed shifts in the first half mile and my terminal speed was MUCH lower than when I hit it like a 1/4 all the way down.
take it to an extreme and see if your logic stands...............
roll to the half mile at 20 mph then hit it until the Mile marker. I GUARANTEE your Mile speed will be less than if you hit it like a 1/4 mile pass all the way down.
I will agree the first half isn't as important as the second half, but every foot DOES count. I have missed shifts in the first half mile and my terminal speed was MUCH lower than when I hit it like a 1/4 all the way down.
As many Mile pulls that I have done I completely disagree.
take it to an extreme and see if your logic stands...............
roll to the half mile at 20 mph then hit it until the Mile marker. I GUARANTEE your Mile speed will be less than if you hit it like a 1/4 mile pass all the way down.
I will agree the first half isn't as important as the second half, but every foot DOES count. I have missed shifts in the first half mile and my terminal speed was MUCH lower than when I hit it like a 1/4 all the way down.
take it to an extreme and see if your logic stands...............
roll to the half mile at 20 mph then hit it until the Mile marker. I GUARANTEE your Mile speed will be less than if you hit it like a 1/4 mile pass all the way down.
I will agree the first half isn't as important as the second half, but every foot DOES count. I have missed shifts in the first half mile and my terminal speed was MUCH lower than when I hit it like a 1/4 all the way down.
From what I have seen, he is talking in regards to the first 330' or so. Where you spend the time settling into the car and ensuring you are going to be getting good traction to lay into the throttle.
I mean, if the first half mile was not important... we would not be worried about racing a mile?.... right?
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I think you took his logic a little too far.
From what I have seen, he is talking in regards to the first 330' or so. Where you spend the time settling into the car and ensuring you are going to be getting good traction to lay into the throttle.
I mean, if the first half mile was not important... we would not be worried about racing a mile?.... right?
From what I have seen, he is talking in regards to the first 330' or so. Where you spend the time settling into the car and ensuring you are going to be getting good traction to lay into the throttle.
I mean, if the first half mile was not important... we would not be worried about racing a mile?.... right?
Mile racing is NOT drag racing. Every foot does NOT count. Hard launches do NOT matter. Both of these cars are over 200 mph at the half mile mark. This is just a sheer fight against wind resistance, overcoming drag with raw horsepower. It has nothing to do with launching or quickness. What matters is how the car performs during the second half of the mile.
BB, read his statement again.
No, I understood what was written and I know exactly which portion of the post you are talking about:
It has nothing to do with launching or quickness. What matters is how the car performs during the second half of the mile.
The first half is not being written off. He is just stating that the first half needs to be utilized to garnering traction for the car and getting everything straightened out for the back half of the race track.
It has nothing to do with launching or quickness. What matters is how the car performs during the second half of the mile.
The first half is not being written off. He is just stating that the first half needs to be utilized to garnering traction for the car and getting everything straightened out for the back half of the race track.
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No, I understood what was written and I know exactly which portion of the post you are talking about:
It has nothing to do with launching or quickness. What matters is how the car performs during the second half of the mile.
The first half is not being written off. He is just stating that the first half needs to be utilized to garnering traction for the car and getting everything straightened out for the back half of the race track.
It has nothing to do with launching or quickness. What matters is how the car performs during the second half of the mile.
The first half is not being written off. He is just stating that the first half needs to be utilized to garnering traction for the car and getting everything straightened out for the back half of the race track.
God I would have loved to see Richards car would have done if he could have launched it like at the track and the same with SW's old Supra (if he launched like he did on the 7.9 pass).
As many Mile pulls that I have done I completely disagree.
take it to an extreme and see if your logic stands...............
roll to the half mile at 20 mph then hit it until the Mile marker. I GUARANTEE your Mile speed will be less than if you hit it like a 1/4 mile pass all the way down.
I will agree the first half isn't as important as the second half, but every foot DOES count. I have missed shifts in the first half mile and my terminal speed was MUCH lower than when I hit it like a 1/4 all the way down.
take it to an extreme and see if your logic stands...............
roll to the half mile at 20 mph then hit it until the Mile marker. I GUARANTEE your Mile speed will be less than if you hit it like a 1/4 mile pass all the way down.
I will agree the first half isn't as important as the second half, but every foot DOES count. I have missed shifts in the first half mile and my terminal speed was MUCH lower than when I hit it like a 1/4 all the way down.
Hard launches (60') have everything to do with ET at a drag strip, very little to do with trap speed at the end. The same goes for the mile. I didn't suggest they drive like Ms. Daisy the first half of the mile, I merely pointed out that hard launches off the starting line don't change the finish mph much at all, if any.
I have far more experience with hard launches at a drag strip than you do.
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Verdad Gallardo At the last drag strip rental, you only mustered 12s in your 1,000 rwhp Ford GT. Yet, your car went 226 mph in the standing mile.
Hard launches (60') have everything to do with ET at a drag strip, very little to do with trap speed at the end. The same goes for the mile. I didn't suggest they drive like Ms. Daisy the first half of the mile, I merely pointed out that hard launches off the starting line don't change the finish mph much at all, if any.
I have far more experience with hard launches at a drag strip than you do.
Hard launches (60') have everything to do with ET at a drag strip, very little to do with trap speed at the end. The same goes for the mile. I didn't suggest they drive like Ms. Daisy the first half of the mile, I merely pointed out that hard launches off the starting line don't change the finish mph much at all, if any.
I have far more experience with hard launches at a drag strip than you do.
He mustered better than 12's in his car Tony. Don't try and cheap shot em.
Perhaps you should have made a pass in his Ford gt to see if you can beat 10.1's he ran on Hoosier R6. Surely you are John Force compared to Jason right?
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At the last drag strip rental, you only mustered 12s in your 1,000 rwhp Ford GT. Yet, your car went 226 mph in the standing mile.
Hard launches (60') have everything to do with ET at a drag strip, very little to do with trap speed at the end. The same goes for the mile. I didn't suggest they drive like Ms. Daisy the first half of the mile, I merely pointed out that hard launches off the starting line don't change the finish mph much at all, if any.
I have far more experience with hard launches at a drag strip than you do.
Hard launches (60') have everything to do with ET at a drag strip, very little to do with trap speed at the end. The same goes for the mile. I didn't suggest they drive like Ms. Daisy the first half of the mile, I merely pointed out that hard launches off the starting line don't change the finish mph much at all, if any.
I have far more experience with hard launches at a drag strip than you do.
Comparing my last time at the 1/4 with one setup and the times I have gone over 220++ in my TT/SC setup is apples to oranges and you know it. Don't try and make your argument from that data as it is flawed.
Call Steven at LMR and ask him if a higher 1/2 mile speed means more mph on the big end. Meaning if you hit it like a 1/4 at the mile all the way down. There IS a difference in a hard launch and a easy launch at the Mile. We are talking Mile stuff here and again I have ALOT more experience than you do. I give you have more 1/4 experience than me as that's not my thing......Mile stuff is.
Mullet, just so you understand drag racing terminology,
Launch = the moment your car leaves the line. The instant it moves, and generally the first 60 feet. I am not talking about rowing through 4 gears and getting a car to accelerate quickly. Yes, that acceleration is VERY important. A wheel-standing hard launch is not important. Even at the drag strip, trap speed rarely changes much even if you blow the launch. ET suffers, but not the mph. In fact, trap speed usually registers higher at the drag strip when you spin off the line.
That is the only point I've been trying to make. I never said anything about driving slow for the first half mile. Surely you can agree that a wheelstanding launch is not going to help your mile mph.
Launch = the moment your car leaves the line. The instant it moves, and generally the first 60 feet. I am not talking about rowing through 4 gears and getting a car to accelerate quickly. Yes, that acceleration is VERY important. A wheel-standing hard launch is not important. Even at the drag strip, trap speed rarely changes much even if you blow the launch. ET suffers, but not the mph. In fact, trap speed usually registers higher at the drag strip when you spin off the line.
That is the only point I've been trying to make. I never said anything about driving slow for the first half mile. Surely you can agree that a wheelstanding launch is not going to help your mile mph.
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Mullet, just so you understand drag racing terminology,
Launch = the moment your car leaves the line. The instant it moves, and generally the first 60 feet. I am not talking about rowing through 4 gears and getting a car to accelerate quickly. Yes, that acceleration is VERY important. A wheel-standing hard launch is not important. Even at the drag strip, trap speed rarely changes much even if you blow the launch. ET suffers, but not the mph. In fact, trap speed usually registers higher at the drag strip when you spin off the line.
That is the only point I've been trying to make. I never said anything about driving slow for the first half mile. Surely you can agree that a wheelstanding launch is not going to help your mile mph.
Launch = the moment your car leaves the line. The instant it moves, and generally the first 60 feet. I am not talking about rowing through 4 gears and getting a car to accelerate quickly. Yes, that acceleration is VERY important. A wheel-standing hard launch is not important. Even at the drag strip, trap speed rarely changes much even if you blow the launch. ET suffers, but not the mph. In fact, trap speed usually registers higher at the drag strip when you spin off the line.
That is the only point I've been trying to make. I never said anything about driving slow for the first half mile. Surely you can agree that a wheelstanding launch is not going to help your mile mph.
your words
Mile racing is NOT drag racing. Every foot does NOT count. Hard launches do NOT matter. Both of these cars are over 200 mph at the half mile mark. This is just a sheer fight against wind resistance, overcoming drag with raw horsepower. It has nothing to do with launching or quickness. What matters is how the car performs during the second half of the mile.
EVERY foot does count and that's what we are talking here wheter it's 1 foot 60 feet or 1000 feet and any where in between those numbers. You can try and change things around with "wheel stand" examples but it still doesn't change the fact EVERY foot DOES count at the Mile.
No kidding.
Common sense and experience says that getting the best 60 foot time usually doesn't affect trap speed at the finish line. Usually, a better 60 foot time results in a lower trap speed at the finish line. If we do not even see the effects at 1/4-mile, then you won't see the effects at a full mile either.
For example, you say your FGT went 146 mph in the 1/4-mile with a shitty launch. It is likely you'd run the exact same trap speed (or slower) with a killer launch.
Tell me then, how is this possible? How come going slower those first sixty feet didn't hurt your trap speed, or vice-versa? Because they didn't matter, in relation to trap speed.
A hard drag-strip launch doesn't matter at the mile. If it were giving you an elapsed time at the mile, then *maybe* that hard launch would matter more. If every foot mattered, then covering every single foot of that mile as quick as possible should matter. It doesn't. Wind drag is exponential with speed, not a linear relationship. Fighting wind resistance with horsepower and aero mods is what is most important with mile racing.
Common sense and experience says that getting the best 60 foot time usually doesn't affect trap speed at the finish line. Usually, a better 60 foot time results in a lower trap speed at the finish line. If we do not even see the effects at 1/4-mile, then you won't see the effects at a full mile either.
For example, you say your FGT went 146 mph in the 1/4-mile with a shitty launch. It is likely you'd run the exact same trap speed (or slower) with a killer launch.
Tell me then, how is this possible? How come going slower those first sixty feet didn't hurt your trap speed, or vice-versa? Because they didn't matter, in relation to trap speed.
A hard drag-strip launch doesn't matter at the mile. If it were giving you an elapsed time at the mile, then *maybe* that hard launch would matter more. If every foot mattered, then covering every single foot of that mile as quick as possible should matter. It doesn't. Wind drag is exponential with speed, not a linear relationship. Fighting wind resistance with horsepower and aero mods is what is most important with mile racing.
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No kidding.
Common sense and experience says that getting the best 60 foot time usually doesn't affect trap speed at the finish line. Usually, a better 60 foot time results in a lower trap speed at the finish line. If we do not even see the effects at 1/4-mile, then you won't see the effects at a full mile either.
For example, you say your FGT went 146 mph in the 1/4-mile with a shitty launch. It is likely you'd run the exact same trap speed (or slower) with a killer launch.
Tell me then, how is this possible? How come going slower those first sixty feet didn't hurt your trap speed, or vice-versa? Because they didn't matter, in relation to trap speed.
A hard drag-strip launch doesn't matter at the mile. If it were giving you an elapsed time at the mile, then *maybe* that hard launch would matter more. If every foot mattered, then covering every single foot of that mile as quick as possible should matter. It doesn't. Wind drag is exponential with speed, not a linear relationship. Fighting wind resistance with horsepower and aero mods is what is most important with mile racing.
Common sense and experience says that getting the best 60 foot time usually doesn't affect trap speed at the finish line. Usually, a better 60 foot time results in a lower trap speed at the finish line. If we do not even see the effects at 1/4-mile, then you won't see the effects at a full mile either.
For example, you say your FGT went 146 mph in the 1/4-mile with a shitty launch. It is likely you'd run the exact same trap speed (or slower) with a killer launch.
Tell me then, how is this possible? How come going slower those first sixty feet didn't hurt your trap speed, or vice-versa? Because they didn't matter, in relation to trap speed.
A hard drag-strip launch doesn't matter at the mile. If it were giving you an elapsed time at the mile, then *maybe* that hard launch would matter more. If every foot mattered, then covering every single foot of that mile as quick as possible should matter. It doesn't. Wind drag is exponential with speed, not a linear relationship. Fighting wind resistance with horsepower and aero mods is what is most important with mile racing.
