Couldnt have said it better

 

yep, sign of a true **** sucker right there.

and how did we get on the idea that i'm going to be using this plan? i make a good living and work hard and put a ton in savings. i have a personal healtcare plan and its costly. i was stating the fact that most in here are spouting off like we had this awesome healthcare and insurance program in the US. which is untrue, there is so much greed, corruption, ect in the insurance sector it is sickening. it needs to be reformed in some way or another.

 

What will govt do to people when those who can't, or wont, pay the fine to the government? What happens when taxing is so outlandish, no one can pay.....so the govt starts taking it?

Im in the military, and I see myself one day turning against the people I pledged to defend.....martial law is something we will see here in our lifetime

 

I wonder when we will be taxed to breath air...

 

I have insurance and it cost us $850 a few months ago for a 30 minute visit to the emergency room. Dr. No Personality came in, looked at my 22 month old son's finger (his sister closed the door on it) for 10 seconds and then they did about 3 x-rays on him. The doctor told us there was no fracture and we could give him some children's tylenol.

$850...for 3 pictures.

We DEFINITELY need reform! The insurance and medical field is ******* us hard in the ***.

 

Dude, you brought your own personal crap into the conversation. You used yourself as an example of a good worker, who could benefit from this crappy plan. Whether you would use it o not, that isn't for me to say ir know, but you are wrong in your thinking. This is socialism.

 

never said i'd use it. said that just because you bust your *** and work doesnt mean you have a job where they give you some badass healthcare shared plan for little cost.

and that comment wasnt directed at you, it was that idiot who somehow thinks that i'm wanting him to pay for my insurance so i can mod my car (?).

 

THANK YOU. why is ross the FIRST person to bring this up in a 3 page thread? how can you guys spout off 'TAXES THIS SOCALISM THAT' NONSTOP, but not care to mention instances like this?

 

Because reform is not what we are getting. What we are getting is a new source of Tax revenue. YOUR COVERAGE WILL NOT CHANGE! If anything, your premiums will now go up. Insurance companies now HAVE to cover people who are risks and who will cost them money. Guess where they are getting that lost revenue from? You. Medicaid will now expand and cover a few more things that it didn't before. Whose going to pay for it? You. This was never about reform. This was about money and increasing the lower rungs of our society's reliance on the welfare state. If this was us going to a more European / Canadian style of healthcare then I'd agree with you. Let's try it out and see what happens. These new laws just don't make any sense.

 

I dont think anyone is denying that reform is needed, its the way the government is going about doing it that has people upset.

 

No. He is not. Read my post.

 

the whole system is fucked up

this is one of those situations where just about everyone has skin in the game. the doctors, for example, hurt the system by charging out the *** for procedures in order to pay for their medical school loans, their fancy new equipment, and lastly (what most people don't realize) is profit. insurance companies are constantly not offering coverage, dropping coverage and refusing to reimburse doctors (which drives up prices even further because the doctors are tired of getting fucked by insurance companies, so they charge even more to make up for it) in turn, the people can't afford to pay outrageous premiums because insurance companies charge too much (despite the fact they **** everyone over and make a profit doing so). therefore, they go to emergency rooms for simple **** because they can't afford to see a primary care provider. they do this because they HAVE to be treated at the ER, oftentimes for free, further contributing to rising costs of healthcare.

then you have these ***** who constantly sue doctors for whatever reason. this raises the rates for malpractice insurance, which medical professionals must have in order to work. so now the doctor has to pay more, well guess what *******, now you pay more. additionally, doctors will pay out the *** for the top of the line equipment (in order to avoid misdiagnosing someone and therefore avoiding getting their pants sued off, also to compete with the hospital right across the street which just bought the latest and greatest scanner, aka keeping up with the Dr. Jones'). guess who gets to pay for these scanners?

now when the government gets involved, the clusterfuck that already exists gets even worse. sure, medicare and medicaid sound nice. who doesn't like helping poor people? but guess what, more and more physicians no longer accept these programs because it just isn't worth it. the reimbursements for treatment suck and there is an assload of paperwork to file.

now, lets consider obamacare. insurance companies just got f'd in the a because now they are forced to cover all of these people which will necessarily cost them money, the costs of which which will ultimately get passed on to the rest of us. in addition to the raising of rates, the quality of plans is sure to suffer. certain procedures and medications that were once covered will no longer be covered because it costs too much. this makes such procedures more expensive for the consumer, but like i mentioned before, the doctors will have to deal with more paperwork and reimbursement bs. it may get to the point that doctors stop accepting certain insurance companies, or insurance at all for that matter. then we're all fucked.

 

^^^ Yes. Yes, they are.

 

Is your coverage thru your employer? I have similar story thru a former employer, crap policy w/5k deductible and shitty co-pay, better than no insurance, but not by much. I could not make changes as to coverage or deductible, would have gladly paid more in for better coverage, but the employer had this policy set in stone. I am just happy the coverage is much better with my current employer. I agree we need real reform, instead we got a bill the 'Health Insurance Industry' helped this administration write.

 

you crack me up home blow. you ******* whinning about not being able to afford healthcare but then a nice vette in your sig is an example of most lazy *** americans today. people choose not to spend money they have worked for on the things they NEED because in the end, they know the goverment will provide for them. Therefore they go spend their earned money on Wants instead of NEEDS. no different than watching someone at walmart by a whole cart full of groceries with food stamps, then purchase alcohol and ******* smokes with cash they have in their pocket.

not trying to be an *******, just proving that people have their priorities all mixed up these days. (and you made yourself the perfect example)

This country is in dire need of healthcare reform, not forced into buying healthcare or paying a TAX, yes tax as the supreme court renamed it, for not having it while low income people milk the system and recieve free healthcare

 

So, since it is legally required...

Lets say that someone declined coverage and pays the fine.-They get in a bad car accident, when they are taken to the ER do they get treatment or does the hospital deny them?

This is going to be about as effective as TX requiring insurance to register/inspect a car. Only thing it did was raise the price of stolen stickers

 

wow where did i say i couldnt afford healthcare you ******* idiot.
why do you keep referring to my vette? youve said it in every post.

i could say the same thing about your grand am in your sig.

 

Holy crap Batman! Lay off the Beck and Limbaugh kool-aid.

 

the reason people are giving you **** is because you complained about not having the healthcare you want while listing careers and jobs that do have what you want. So rather than saying you work hard but are unhappy with your healthcare, you could a. Get a different job that makes you happy healthcare wise, or b. buy your the care you want with your earnings.

Obamacare makes sense to you because it gives you something you want, but don't want to have to pay for or change your lifestyle / career To obtain it. You did nothing to "earn" this, it's just being given to you, and thus you like it. I would want it too if I was in your situation.

I understand both positions, and I'm sure I'll start bitching when things start sucking when I need a medical attention or my pockets start getting hit with fees and taxes to support the program. I was happy with everything the way it was, but I had exceptional coverage through my employer.

 

That is an ignorant remark. Thank you for your service dreww. Glad to know someone in service to this country will defend and uphold the constitution.

On another note it does make me feel a little better that it seems so many of the members here are angry about this overstep of Gov't power. Gives me hope I may not have to watch my country descend into communism. Yes I said communism. This law is a socialist push, but anyone who knows anything about socialism should also realize it only ends up two ways. 1. It fails. 2. It leads to full blown Communism (which always fails). In both instances it screws all of us "regular hard working" people.

We potentially lost half of our freedom from this ruling. Like said by others this now tells the communists (proressives) in our government they can now "tax" us on anything they deem should be controlled.