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Oh yeah one more thing I dont think that the club shouldnt be limited to only the mentioned above, it should include any kind of muscle car/truck.My 2 cents:
Josh
Josh
Ahhhh, now it all makes sense! I'll have to get familar with what this other club is all about!
The idea of a pony car club would be great, but that in itself can become 'clique-ish' - which is understandably by design... Be aware though that the TAMSCC ran into issues in 98-2000 (and it sounds like it hasn't changed much) because of that elitist attitude. The unwillingness to accept, or even speak to enthusiasts in areas that didn't match the few caused membership and participation to plummet... Although there will always be different and opposing points of view, there should be a happy medium somewhere.
For what it is worth... BTW, I am an ex-chairman in the TAMSCC...
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but to each their own i guess.... 
using a qualifier, especially one as pathetic as that, to justify a bias is even worse than the bias in the first place.
if drag racing is too easy then just stick to TAMSCC.
I can lay out my theory for you if you don't agree to show that my idea is not derived from a bias but from reason.
Idea behind an autox: you have a start and a goal, and any number of cones laid out in any(well there are a few limits like it has to be fairly obvious which gate follows the next, but for this intellectual exercise I will just say the number of possible combinations might as well be infinite) pattern on the surface. You must pass through the cones in the correct order to get from the start to the goal in the shortest amount of time. To do this requires that you attempt to follow the imaginary 'racing line' for your car, as defined as the line your car would take to achieve the fastest possible time. This requires utilizing all aspects of the car, acceleration, braking, turning, in a well balanced manner as well as being able to visualize what line you should take.
If you want to present another model for autox that is simpler, be my guest.
Idea behind a drag race: you have a fixed length of track in a straight line, you start at a designated time and try to get to the end as fast as possible. This requires keeping the car going straight and accelerating.
Unless you want to try to prove that following a line and turning == following a line that is perfectly straight, I don't see how you can say drag racing is the same as autox in terms of complexity.
Just to reiterate, the complexity of something and being able to be the best at it do not necessarily correlate( think simple to use a yoyo, ridiculously hard to win a world championship trick yoyo contest )
If you want to argue that the word conceptual is pathetic, or that thinking of things in abstracted form rather than in one particular instance is pointless, well I'm afraid I can't help you there.
I can lay out my theory for you if you don't agree to show that my idea is not derived from a bias but from reason.
Idea behind an autox: you have a start and a goal, and any number of cones laid out in any(well there are a few limits like it has to be fairly obvious which gate follows the next, but for this intellectual exercise I will just say the number of possible combinations might as well be infinite) pattern on the surface. You must pass through the cones in the correct order to get from the start to the goal in the shortest amount of time. To do this requires that you attempt to follow the imaginary 'racing line' for your car, as defined as the line your car would take to achieve the fastest possible time. This requires utilizing all aspects of the car, acceleration, braking, turning, in a well balanced manner as well as being able to visualize what line you should take.
If you want to present another model for autox that is simpler, be my guest.
Idea behind a drag race: you have a fixed length of track in a straight line, you start at a designated time and try to get to the end as fast as possible. This requires keeping the car going straight and accelerating.
Unless you want to try to prove that following a line and turning == following a line that is perfectly straight, I don't see how you can say drag racing is the same as autox in terms of complexity.
Just to reiterate, the complexity of something and being able to be the best at it do not necessarily correlate( think simple to use a yoyo, ridiculously hard to win a world championship trick yoyo contest )
If you want to argue that the word conceptual is pathetic, or that thinking of things in abstracted form rather than in one particular instance is pointless, well I'm afraid I can't help you there.
This topic is silly. Drag racing and Autoxing are not a simple task to performe and if they were EVERYONE would excel in both. One can argue both ways. Fact is have a autoxing club if you like, but you are still welcome to show up at sonic or wednesday nights.
Personally I think my car would get you in both classes!!!
See you there if you wanna talk.Grant







