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The dealer is cheating?? I believe in fair play. I guess car dealerships do not.
I was looking at a Chevy truck last night and they appraised my SS for trade in. When he came back from the office he told me he looked up how much I paid for my car, and because of that he could only offer me $9000. (I got him to raise it to $10,000, but it still isn't enough) I bought the car used from another GM dealer, so it would make sense that he has access to that info.
But the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off - it's none of his business how much I paid for my car. Do I get to look up how much they paid for their truck?
The Ford dealer only was offering me $8,000 (I didn't like the way the Ford rides, though) The Dodge dealer is offering me $12,500 (the Dodge truck had the nicest ride of all three)
Neither Ford nor Dodge can look up how much I paid for my car, and I can't look up how much ANY dealer REALLY paid for their truck.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
I was looking at a Chevy truck last night and they appraised my SS for trade in. When he came back from the office he told me he looked up how much I paid for my car, and because of that he could only offer me $9000. (I got him to raise it to $10,000, but it still isn't enough) I bought the car used from another GM dealer, so it would make sense that he has access to that info.
But the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off - it's none of his business how much I paid for my car. Do I get to look up how much they paid for their truck?
The Ford dealer only was offering me $8,000 (I didn't like the way the Ford rides, though) The Dodge dealer is offering me $12,500 (the Dodge truck had the nicest ride of all three)
Neither Ford nor Dodge can look up how much I paid for my car, and I can't look up how much ANY dealer REALLY paid for their truck.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
the dealer is ALWAYS going to low ball. if they didnt, they wouldnt make a profit off of the used cars. They make money on your the trade, finance and sell of the new vehicle.
They will play with the numbers if you tell them about the other dealer who offered you a low trade, then they will raise the price the truck.
Here is my personal opinion, Your car is worth around 12-14k and you should sell it to someone on auto trader for that amount.
There is a very funny car sales movie called Suckers. It explains alot.
They will play with the numbers if you tell them about the other dealer who offered you a low trade, then they will raise the price the truck.
Here is my personal opinion, Your car is worth around 12-14k and you should sell it to someone on auto trader for that amount.
There is a very funny car sales movie called Suckers. It explains alot.
Take it to carmax and see what they say. I have a good friend thats a Mercedes salesman and hes told me many times that car max most of the time will out bid anyone on buying back used cars.
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Originally Posted by DONAIMIAN
Take it to carmax and see what they say. I have a good friend thats a Mercedes salesman and hes told me many times that car max most of the time will out bid anyone on buying back used cars.
Funny you should mention that...the salesman at the Chevy place suggested I take my car there.
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Not so fast on Car Max I took the 02 ce rag top to Car Max almost 2 years ago and they tried to give me $17000 for the car with only 18,000 miles on it when the book was reading 24k trade in and 28k private party sale, they thought they would low ball me and sell it to them I told them to stick it. 2 weeks later I sold it outright for $24500, so you tell me if they where fair....just my opinion....
Originally Posted by 01ArcticSS
I believe in fair play. I guess car dealerships do not.
I was looking at a Chevy truck last night and they appraised my SS for trade in. When he came back from the office he told me he looked up how much I paid for my car, and because of that he could only offer me $9000. (I got him to raise it to $10,000, but it still isn't enough) I bought the car used from another GM dealer, so it would make sense that he has access to that info.
But the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off - it's none of his business how much I paid for my car. Do I get to look up how much they paid for their truck?
The Ford dealer only was offering me $8,000 (I didn't like the way the Ford rides, though) The Dodge dealer is offering me $12,500 (the Dodge truck had the nicest ride of all three)
Neither Ford nor Dodge can look up how much I paid for my car, and I can't look up how much ANY dealer REALLY paid for their truck.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
I was looking at a Chevy truck last night and they appraised my SS for trade in. When he came back from the office he told me he looked up how much I paid for my car, and because of that he could only offer me $9000. (I got him to raise it to $10,000, but it still isn't enough) I bought the car used from another GM dealer, so it would make sense that he has access to that info.
But the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off - it's none of his business how much I paid for my car. Do I get to look up how much they paid for their truck?
The Ford dealer only was offering me $8,000 (I didn't like the way the Ford rides, though) The Dodge dealer is offering me $12,500 (the Dodge truck had the nicest ride of all three)
Neither Ford nor Dodge can look up how much I paid for my car, and I can't look up how much ANY dealer REALLY paid for their truck.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
1. you have to buy a car during close out, which means at the end of the month. That is when the pressure is on.
2. Don't let them run your credit until you agree on numbers. It lowers your beacon score everytime you run it. If you want me to lay out the game. I can pm you. I can take you through the whole scheme. I only want to get you what you want and how you want it.
1. It's starts off by saying what brings you to this car lot? Not can i help you.
2. Never let them know your monthly, because they will extend your terms and make the most money. It's a triangle game. they call it a short term high equity. any way the bottom line is, it doesn't matter if they give you 5k for it, as long as A+b=z
and more thing, unless your going to keep the truck, look at the highest resale.
1.Ford f-150
2. Chevy 1500
3. Dodge
Originally Posted by 1badchicken
When I got out of active duty I was in used car sales and new sales.
1. you have to buy a car during close out, which means at the end of the month. That is when the pressure is on.
2. Don't let them run your credit until you agree on numbers. It lowers your beacon score everytime you run it. If you want me to lay out the game. I can pm you. I can take you through the whole scheme. I only want to get you what you want and how you want it.
1. It's starts off by saying what brings you to this car lot? Not can i help you.
2. Never let them know your monthly, because they will extend your terms and make the most money. It's a triangle game. they call it a short term high equity. any way the bottom line is, it doesn't matter if they give you 5k for it, as long as A+b=z
and more thing, unless your going to keep the truck, look at the highest resale.
1.Ford f-150
2. Chevy 1500
3. Dodge
1. you have to buy a car during close out, which means at the end of the month. That is when the pressure is on.
2. Don't let them run your credit until you agree on numbers. It lowers your beacon score everytime you run it. If you want me to lay out the game. I can pm you. I can take you through the whole scheme. I only want to get you what you want and how you want it.
1. It's starts off by saying what brings you to this car lot? Not can i help you.
2. Never let them know your monthly, because they will extend your terms and make the most money. It's a triangle game. they call it a short term high equity. any way the bottom line is, it doesn't matter if they give you 5k for it, as long as A+b=z
and more thing, unless your going to keep the truck, look at the highest resale.
1.Ford f-150
2. Chevy 1500
3. Dodge
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I knew that about the credit report, but I think I fouled up and gave Ford my ssn. BUT I did NOT sign anything to let them run my credit. Does that mean if they ran it I can sue them? 
I almost goofed and told one guy what my payments were, but managed to avoid that mistake.
I agree with you 100% on the A+B=z thing. I've got my own numbers in each of those, and so far I have NOT caved in on any of them. I know my budget, and I know how to make an excel spreadsheet calculate a payment. What I CANNOT figure out is why my calculations NEVER match what the dealer comes up with.
As far as resale, my plan is to drive it till the wheels fall off, then put new wheels on and keep going...When I get it paid off I'll get me another go fast car and alternate on odd an even days, or rainy and sunny days, or whatever...
If you have any suggestions on how I can get them to lower their prices, please drop me a note!!
I almost goofed and told one guy what my payments were, but managed to avoid that mistake.
I agree with you 100% on the A+B=z thing. I've got my own numbers in each of those, and so far I have NOT caved in on any of them. I know my budget, and I know how to make an excel spreadsheet calculate a payment. What I CANNOT figure out is why my calculations NEVER match what the dealer comes up with.
As far as resale, my plan is to drive it till the wheels fall off, then put new wheels on and keep going...When I get it paid off I'll get me another go fast car and alternate on odd an even days, or rainy and sunny days, or whatever...
If you have any suggestions on how I can get them to lower their prices, please drop me a note!!
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If your buying used I'd try to stick with carmax. The deals are no haggle and they offer top trade-in on your car.
I know what you mean by the dealers try to rip you off. Its standard practice for them. I just expect it anymore.
I've been trying to buy a new Avalanche for months now. Everytime I go in, they manage to **** me off somehow. I always leave with a migrane..
Why don't they just come steal our furniture instead? I mean, seriously, it wouldn't hurt so much..
They got the car hustling down to a science. They know all the right things to say, games to play, they've done it many times.
The best thing you can do is do your homework and read up on some books on these types of things and how to beat them at their own game. A $12.95 book can save you thousands.
If you buy new, try using www.edmunds.com
They are usually pretty good about getting you all the update information on rebates, what others are paying, etc...
I know what you mean by the dealers try to rip you off. Its standard practice for them. I just expect it anymore.
I've been trying to buy a new Avalanche for months now. Everytime I go in, they manage to **** me off somehow. I always leave with a migrane..
Why don't they just come steal our furniture instead? I mean, seriously, it wouldn't hurt so much..
They got the car hustling down to a science. They know all the right things to say, games to play, they've done it many times.
The best thing you can do is do your homework and read up on some books on these types of things and how to beat them at their own game. A $12.95 book can save you thousands.
If you buy new, try using www.edmunds.com
They are usually pretty good about getting you all the update information on rebates, what others are paying, etc...
I'm in car sales, and although you guys look at it as trying to cheat you, alot of it is fair market value belive it or not. I see it everyday.
A dealership is a business, business's are around to make money. Don't go in there expecting to get reail to your trade it. They start at Loan Value, and work thier way up...
A dealership is a business, business's are around to make money. Don't go in there expecting to get reail to your trade it. They start at Loan Value, and work thier way up...
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Originally Posted by gearheads78
FYI the way they looked up your price paid was the DMV check that any dealer for any make has access to in TX.
This goes right to my point - it's none of their business, and besides, can I look up how much they REALLY paid for their truck?
Car dealers trying to put it too you....this is a surprise to anyone ?? LOL
My favorite line they spew is, " My manager tells me that he would buy a car like yours today for _ _ _ _" To which a response is....yeah...I bet he would!
Like others have said, everyone understands that a business is there to make a profit but....car sales folks will try and screw everyone, in every way possible.
Personally, I always tell them;
Look, I'm your favorite customer. I don't care if your _ _ _ _ is a million dollars, just means I want 99X, XXX.00 for my trade in....hell, I'm a payment shopper...get the payments where I want and I'll drive the bitch home today!!
I usually get funny looks right after that but, has worked pretty well over the years.
Just my .02
My favorite line they spew is, " My manager tells me that he would buy a car like yours today for _ _ _ _" To which a response is....yeah...I bet he would!
Like others have said, everyone understands that a business is there to make a profit but....car sales folks will try and screw everyone, in every way possible.
Personally, I always tell them;
Look, I'm your favorite customer. I don't care if your _ _ _ _ is a million dollars, just means I want 99X, XXX.00 for my trade in....hell, I'm a payment shopper...get the payments where I want and I'll drive the bitch home today!!
I usually get funny looks right after that but, has worked pretty well over the years.
Just my .02
Carmax isn't always the winner. They appraised our '06 Mustang GT (6K miles) at $19,000. That was three weeks ago. We got $21,000 from the Pontiac dealership where we traded it in for the new GTO.
Originally Posted by 01ArcticSS
I believe in fair play. I guess car dealerships do not.
I was looking at a Chevy truck last night and they appraised my SS for trade in. When he came back from the office he told me he looked up how much I paid for my car, and because of that he could only offer me $9000. (I got him to raise it to $10,000, but it still isn't enough) I bought the car used from another GM dealer, so it would make sense that he has access to that info.
But the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off - it's none of his business how much I paid for my car. Do I get to look up how much they paid for their truck?
The Ford dealer only was offering me $8,000 (I didn't like the way the Ford rides, though) The Dodge dealer is offering me $12,500 (the Dodge truck had the nicest ride of all three)
Neither Ford nor Dodge can look up how much I paid for my car, and I can't look up how much ANY dealer REALLY paid for their truck.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
I was looking at a Chevy truck last night and they appraised my SS for trade in. When he came back from the office he told me he looked up how much I paid for my car, and because of that he could only offer me $9000. (I got him to raise it to $10,000, but it still isn't enough) I bought the car used from another GM dealer, so it would make sense that he has access to that info.
But the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off - it's none of his business how much I paid for my car. Do I get to look up how much they paid for their truck?
The Ford dealer only was offering me $8,000 (I didn't like the way the Ford rides, though) The Dodge dealer is offering me $12,500 (the Dodge truck had the nicest ride of all three)
Neither Ford nor Dodge can look up how much I paid for my car, and I can't look up how much ANY dealer REALLY paid for their truck.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Carmax isn't always the winner. They appraised our '06 Mustang GT (6K miles) at $19,000. That was three weeks ago. We got $21,000 from the Pontiac dealership where we traded it in for the new GTO.
I had a $2,000 variance on trade value with my old 99 Silverado years ago. Tried buying a Lightning and was upside down massively, bought an SS Camaro and miraculously I had equity.
i had an issue simialr to this when i sold my firebird..i went to 3 dealers trying to find a car i wanted everyone one had a car i wanted but low balled me on my trade in... my trade in value was around 13 noone would give me more than 8 untill i found a chevy dealer near me with my car he gave me 13.4 for it! hes like is it a deal im like yess...signed the papers before he realized what he did....the car was a 2002 firebird som with that factory ground effect pack it had 42k miles on it..i say keep lookin around ya might get lucky.
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Originally Posted by just-a-z
Would you be interested in a GMC Sierra? I'm in car sales and can try to see if I can take a stab at this deal. PM me and let me know exactly what is is you want and I will give you a straight, no bullshit answer.
I dropped a lengthy PM in your box.....
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Originally Posted by mattraypharbor
i say keep lookin around ya might get lucky.
Yeah, I look around a lot, but the other half keeps catching me looking
I still have a year of warranty (transferrable, but probably only in private sales) on the thing...I may wait till end of the year closeout next year. But we'll see what happens.
