Brad Lidge - Astros
04-21-2007, 12:03 PM
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Brad Lidge - Astros Why do they keep hanging on to this guy? For 1/3 of an innings work last night, he gives up 3 runs. The Astros need face it, he has lost his competitive edge.
**Note to Astros** You can't win games, if you send in a pitcher who can't get outs...........
**Note to Astros** You can't win games, if you send in a pitcher who can't get outs...........
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04-21-2007, 03:12 PM
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it is getting to that point where you just know hes gonna **** it up, I actually called it last night. He has great stuff with no control, just like Wagner used to be. I think they hold on to him because they remember how Wagner came around.
04-21-2007, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sprayed1998
it is getting to that point where you just know hes gonna **** it up, I actually called it last night. He has great stuff with no control, just like Wagner used to be. I think they hold on to him because they remember how Wagner came around.
04-21-2007, 06:44 PM
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First off, he pitched 2/3rds of an inning.
Second off, Phil Garner has made it very clear what their plans with Lidge are, so let me fill you in on his logic (or, at least, what he claims to be his logic).
Immediately after it was announced that Lidge would not be closing anymore, Garner was very clear in saying that they would most likely be using Lidge MORE than before because he would be pitching in earlier innings and in more situations. He has been doing exactly that, and Lidge has done a little better. Last night, I believe Garner decided he would bring him in because, while it was not a save situation, it was as close to one as you can get. So, he couldn't be accused of using Lidge this soon in save situations, but at the same time he allowed Lidge to pitch with a little more pressure on him.
If you recall, Garner made the same mistake last year. After pulling Lidge from the closer role some time after the All-Star break last year, they put him right back in there after like one, maybe two decent performances in non-closing roles. And he continued to suck.
So, to answer your question, they hold onto him because they feel it's in the best interest of the club to try (at least for a while) and work him through his issues.
Second off, Phil Garner has made it very clear what their plans with Lidge are, so let me fill you in on his logic (or, at least, what he claims to be his logic).
Immediately after it was announced that Lidge would not be closing anymore, Garner was very clear in saying that they would most likely be using Lidge MORE than before because he would be pitching in earlier innings and in more situations. He has been doing exactly that, and Lidge has done a little better. Last night, I believe Garner decided he would bring him in because, while it was not a save situation, it was as close to one as you can get. So, he couldn't be accused of using Lidge this soon in save situations, but at the same time he allowed Lidge to pitch with a little more pressure on him.
If you recall, Garner made the same mistake last year. After pulling Lidge from the closer role some time after the All-Star break last year, they put him right back in there after like one, maybe two decent performances in non-closing roles. And he continued to suck.
So, to answer your question, they hold onto him because they feel it's in the best interest of the club to try (at least for a while) and work him through his issues.
04-21-2007, 07:15 PM
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I heard a rumor on the radio the other day that Garner and Purpura are not getting along right now because of Lidge. Purpura was upset that Garner pulled the trigger so soon on demoting Lidge from the closer role. Apparently, Purpura has some sort of loyalty to Lidge from when he was in charge of the Astros minor league organization.
There has been interest from other teams in Lidge. At this point, I'd take whatever the Astros can get for him and be done with it. I'd rather see him go to another team and do well against us than have him keep losing games (or almost losing, like last night) for us.
-Mike
There has been interest from other teams in Lidge. At this point, I'd take whatever the Astros can get for him and be done with it. I'd rather see him go to another team and do well against us than have him keep losing games (or almost losing, like last night) for us.
-Mike
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04-23-2007, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by chupr0kabra
I heard a rumor on the radio the other day that Garner and Purpura are not getting along right now because of Lidge. Purpura was upset that Garner pulled the trigger so soon on demoting Lidge from the closer role. Apparently, Purpura has some sort of loyalty to Lidge from when he was in charge of the Astros minor league organization.
There has been interest from other teams in Lidge. At this point, I'd take whatever the Astros can get for him and be done with it. I'd rather see him go to another team and do well against us than have him keep losing games (or almost losing, like last night) for us.
-Mike
There has been interest from other teams in Lidge. At this point, I'd take whatever the Astros can get for him and be done with it. I'd rather see him go to another team and do well against us than have him keep losing games (or almost losing, like last night) for us.
-Mike
Wherever Lidge goes, I hope it goes to the AL. I think he still has wicked stuff and he will be able to harness it again and become a good closer... I'd hate for him to go somewhere in the NL and kill us down the road.
04-23-2007, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by hawgs
Lidge and Lane to TB for Kazmir.
Wherever Lidge goes, I hope it goes to the AL. I think he still has wicked stuff and he will be able to harness it again and become a good closer... I'd hate for him to go somewhere in the NL and kill us down the road.
Wherever Lidge goes, I hope it goes to the AL. I think he still has wicked stuff and he will be able to harness it again and become a good closer... I'd hate for him to go somewhere in the NL and kill us down the road.
04-23-2007, 11:43 AM
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Lidge will be fine, but I think they should try him out as a spot starter once in a while. That way he has a fresh start early in the game with a clean slate. If you can get 3 innings of good baseball out of him a few times then work a littel in middle relief then hopefully by the end of the season he will fell comfortable in a set-up role again, then once he has matered that again, we can throw him in at closer.
I speak from experience when I say being out of shape mentally if far more devastating than you can ever imagine. But once you get it back you are as tough as ever, the astros mgmt know this, and have seen it before. Lidge will make a comeback.
I speak from experience when I say being out of shape mentally if far more devastating than you can ever imagine. But once you get it back you are as tough as ever, the astros mgmt know this, and have seen it before. Lidge will make a comeback.
04-24-2007, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PMCSPIDER
Lidge will be fine, but I think they should try him out as a spot starter once in a while. That way he has a fresh start early in the game with a clean slate. If you can get 3 innings of good baseball out of him a few times then work a littel in middle relief then hopefully by the end of the season he will fell comfortable in a set-up role again, then once he has matered that again, we can throw him in at closer.
I speak from experience when I say being out of shape mentally if far more devastating than you can ever imagine. But once you get it back you are as tough as ever, the astros mgmt know this, and have seen it before. Lidge will make a comeback.
I speak from experience when I say being out of shape mentally if far more devastating than you can ever imagine. But once you get it back you are as tough as ever, the astros mgmt know this, and have seen it before. Lidge will make a comeback.
He will be back, its just a matter of time.
04-25-2007, 10:33 AM
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lidge does not have enough pitches to be put in a starting role, to be effective, you would need a min. of 3 pitches, and lidge only has 2 to speak of. lidge would only last maybe 3 innings at most if they tried him in a starting role. our bullpen has not been to good so far this year. so, they need to keep the starting pitchers in as long as they can. the stros will work out the bugs with him.
04-25-2007, 11:12 AM
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I think they should hold onto him for a few more years untill i get outa college then ill take his role. ( I have been a closer for a long time, but i made stupid decisions in highschool and didnt play my senior year. So now im going to attempt to walk onto the A&M team next fall.)
It's a small chance that i will play in the biggies, but it would be nice lol...
It's a small chance that i will play in the biggies, but it would be nice lol...
04-25-2007, 11:41 AM
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When did he start?? I guess i missed that.
