If you oppose amnesty for illegals, please read
05-19-2007, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by KLRWS6
Nothing will work if it is not fixed at goverment level first. All i can say is they are here to stay and we need to find a way to make this country a giant again with the help of mexicans. Heres a positive not, osama bin laden would not dare try to invade america if it was majority mexicans. He knows we would shank the **** out of his terrorists then throw a party to celebrate thier death. Thats how we roll.
05-19-2007, 11:20 AM
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Illegals What really does the word illegal mean the way I see it there are many diffrent races that come from diffrent country's and nobody gives a **** some of them get to come to the U.S and get all kinds of help fom this fucked up goverment we have. But when a MEXICAN gets here they wanta send his *** back like if he killed somebody on the way here.So I really don't understand why it is like that but I dont see those MEXICANS or what ever you want to call us blowing inoscent people that dont have nothing to do with the real WAR that we face in the future
05-19-2007, 12:01 PM
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They dont take ****, if you dont like the immigrants, your nothing but a ****** racists *** redneck, im sure youd rather be out there building our ****** roads, they take the cheap *** jobs. Get a ****** life, basically were all immigrants, we stole the ****** country newayz, wtf does it matter. Some people are just so damn stupid.
05-19-2007, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bmxer8699
carrollton farmers branch ???..
How about that courageous City Council in Farmers Branch, Texas?
Last Monday evening they voted unanimously to make English the official language of the town of 28,000 and to make it illegal for apartment owners to lease housing to those who could not prove that they were legal residents of the United States. The council also authorized the city's police department to seek special training so that the immigration status of persons in custody could be determined. In essence, Farmers Branch police officers will become immigration agents.
im not to worried about them taking my job though.. i HIGHLY doubt they can hire an illegal immigrant divorce lawyer... (when im done with college)
How about that courageous City Council in Farmers Branch, Texas?
Last Monday evening they voted unanimously to make English the official language of the town of 28,000 and to make it illegal for apartment owners to lease housing to those who could not prove that they were legal residents of the United States. The council also authorized the city's police department to seek special training so that the immigration status of persons in custody could be determined. In essence, Farmers Branch police officers will become immigration agents.
im not to worried about them taking my job though.. i HIGHLY doubt they can hire an illegal immigrant divorce lawyer... (when im done with college)
That right there sir is just straight up racist, there's no explaining that...
05-19-2007, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GTOpowered240sx
Are you an illegal alien????
If not, then why are you so offended? What does ANY of this have to do with legal immigrants or US citizens?? NOTHING, other than making it harder for us.
I sure wish I could beat the system like the illegals are doing! The IRS hit me personally for $55000 THIS YEAR. So to all the sorry asses that can't respect the laws of our country and legally become a citizen
If not, then why are you so offended? What does ANY of this have to do with legal immigrants or US citizens?? NOTHING, other than making it harder for us.
I sure wish I could beat the system like the illegals are doing! The IRS hit me personally for $55000 THIS YEAR. So to all the sorry asses that can't respect the laws of our country and legally become a citizen
05-19-2007, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike96z
They dont take ****, if you dont like the immigrants, your nothing but a ****** racists *** redneck, im sure youd rather be out there building our ****** roads, they take the cheap *** jobs. Get a ****** life, basically were all immigrants, we stole the ****** country newayz, wtf does it matter. Some people are just so damn stupid.
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05-19-2007, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
I don't believe in illegal immagration but how is it that every body is so pissed off but they hire these people to do the jobs we don't want too and at a bargin price.Next time you go pump 3.00 dollar a gallon gas this summer just look at who owns the gas station.All this immagration **** only sufaces at election time,and by the way it is time for a change.If we are going to close the borders than close them,and don't hire Illegals. Ha Ha that statement that I just made is almost as stupid as the border control topic.Stop watching liberal television. 
Blame your Govener for high health care Mexicans are nothing new to this country as far as the flag flying I agree but you see that is just an example of what I said about needing to solve problems here at home .Just think if so much money wasn't spent fighting a futile war we could probably solve some of the problems here at home.God bless our troops that's where are focus needs to be.
Blame your Govener for high health care Mexicans are nothing new to this country as far as the flag flying I agree but you see that is just an example of what I said about needing to solve problems here at home .Just think if so much money wasn't spent fighting a futile war we could probably solve some of the problems here at home.God bless our troops that's where are focus needs to be.
If all those billions of dollars wouldn't wouldn't be spent on this stupid as "oil" war my gas would still be $1.35 and all those billions would be at home. Ima say it again, We all know what the problem is, lets not argue whose fault it is. lets worry about how we can fix the problem. Let's tax their income, lets fix the immigration policies and Lets stop trying to "rebuild" a country that is half a world away and lets help all the needy people at home. hurrcane, tornado victoms, our kids education, our health care system our god damn roads. I don't give a damn **** about lil aziz mohamad, **** 'em and his mom. I want to keep our troops ALIVE and at home as well as keeping all those billions at home so GTOpowered240sx wouldn't have to spend $5500 on "illegal immigrants"
well a big : to you too mother ****** what a retard... Last edited by kornfreak_401; 05-19-2007 at 12:55 PM.
05-19-2007, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SRT2LS1
Like I stated before, all of you that say I don't care as long as they do it right! Yet you are opposed them doing it right. This whole thread is about either opposing or favoring. All I heard though, is well I hate when THEY do this and don't do that and are obviously opposed but yet just to make it easier on your self you just say "as long as they do it right I don't care". If you truly don't care and just want them to do it right then support this bill.
Then there is the argument of the over populating with another 20 million more, Those 20 million spots will probably go to people already here, which would be better for everyone. Then they would be forced to contribute to the economy by paying taxes which will pay for both medical and schooling, they would have there licence so they will be able to obtain insurance.
My favorite by far though has to be the guy with all the stories from his family where they have to deal with illegal's all day and how they cost poor old men with heart attacks there lives. How would you know they are illegal's? Because they are Mexican/Hispanics? Do you actually go and ask them, cause I didn't know firemen asked for that type of information! Also if you have to go to a public/free hospital where you said you have to fight the crowds you need to get health insurance. Last thing I remember too is that all traffic signs have universal pictures on them that mean the same thing in every country, maybe you don't get it out too much but that what all the little drawings are on there for.
I see the point also that the other guy is trying to make about the slight cough thing. I am Mexican and I know that most Hispanics hate going to the Hospital and will only go as a final resort. I was born and raised here in DFW and I have great health insurance so I have my personal doctor so I thankfully don't have to shove my way through overcrowded hospitals asking people for green cards on the way to the front desk, so for that I'm thankful!
I say they are already here and aren't going away, so give them the damn piece of paper so they can make the country a few more dollars come every April!
Then there is the argument of the over populating with another 20 million more, Those 20 million spots will probably go to people already here, which would be better for everyone. Then they would be forced to contribute to the economy by paying taxes which will pay for both medical and schooling, they would have there licence so they will be able to obtain insurance.
My favorite by far though has to be the guy with all the stories from his family where they have to deal with illegal's all day and how they cost poor old men with heart attacks there lives. How would you know they are illegal's? Because they are Mexican/Hispanics? Do you actually go and ask them, cause I didn't know firemen asked for that type of information! Also if you have to go to a public/free hospital where you said you have to fight the crowds you need to get health insurance. Last thing I remember too is that all traffic signs have universal pictures on them that mean the same thing in every country, maybe you don't get it out too much but that what all the little drawings are on there for.
I see the point also that the other guy is trying to make about the slight cough thing. I am Mexican and I know that most Hispanics hate going to the Hospital and will only go as a final resort. I was born and raised here in DFW and I have great health insurance so I have my personal doctor so I thankfully don't have to shove my way through overcrowded hospitals asking people for green cards on the way to the front desk, so for that I'm thankful!
I say they are already here and aren't going away, so give them the damn piece of paper so they can make the country a few more dollars come every April!
LMAO!!! TOMA!!!!!! There you go. I couldn't of have said it better!!! Wel put man!!!
05-19-2007, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by kornfreak_401
Just $5500 ?! wow. I'm not offended I'm just bothered. Everyone has the misconception that illegals cause so many problems. Yes I do agree on both sides, I've said this many times, but how is it making it harder for "us". can you please explain your point of view? also, where do you aquire this info?
05-19-2007, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Inspector12
Good post David. I loved the imagrant posters they were funny I think Kornfreak_401 is taking this too personal. Talking about other problems to avoid the one we are trying to address at this time etc... I do agree that the laws we have right now aren't being inforced so I don't know what this one would do except worsen the problem. It would be saying you came over ILLEAGALY and it is OK. I don't believe that. Do you praise your kids when they do something wrong? That is totally backwards. I feel for others, but selfpreservation is first.
Anyways, jusy trying to keep and fair open mind on BOTH sides. I agree on both sides I just defend when wack *** statements are made
Everybody wants to live the american dream. there is no law that deprives that from anybody (well at least yet). Lets support the bill and make them do it legally. its that simple. If you can't get them out, them make them pay for it!
05-19-2007, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanJohnson
well the last thing i will say on the this subject is when you give them amnesty, they now have the right to vote. what will that be like? also, how many of those "illegal immigrants" (who are now legal) going to quit their jobs and seek government aid, such as welfare. how many of these newly pardoned Americans actually going to contribute to society, such as paying income taxes?...or better yet, how many of them are going to own property where they will have to pay property taxes, and guess what property taxes support...schools.
after this pardon goes into effect, there still should be a fence and all their tunnels should be concreted in. the border patrol should be backed up by the military with the intent to shoot and kill. let it be made perfectly clear that America will not tolerate anyone trying to illegally come into this country anymore. there should be no excuses now, become an American the proud and honorable way. speak english and wave the American flag, your not a mexican anymore.
after this pardon goes into effect, there still should be a fence and all their tunnels should be concreted in. the border patrol should be backed up by the military with the intent to shoot and kill. let it be made perfectly clear that America will not tolerate anyone trying to illegally come into this country anymore. there should be no excuses now, become an American the proud and honorable way. speak english and wave the American flag, your not a mexican anymore.
Im not even gonna reply to this one intent to shoot and kill! LMAO! wow dude just wow lol...
05-19-2007, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ex-SS-ve
ive been in that situation . not once but twice and each time the vehicle was totalled. and the illegal took the ride in the ambulance in avoidance of dealing with the matter. and both times the illegal had no insurance no license and no registration. believe me i have had enough of the bad guys that have no concept of responsibility. however for every bad one there are a lot of good ones too. ive worked with a few of them that will bust their *** thru n thru and even give you the shirt of their back if its needed. but the bad apples out weigh the good guys..
As much as ya'll focus on the bad ones there are good ones as well too... I dont understand how they call them lazy mexicans when all they do is all the hard labor work, how does that work?
05-19-2007, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by kornfreak_401
That right there sir is just straight up racist, there's no explaining that...
An ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT is defined as "Anybody that is in this country and undocument". This can include ANY BODY from any other country. Including Mexico, Spain, France, England, Switzerland, Germany, Russia, Italy, South Africa, China, Korea's, Vietnam, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Argentinia, Brazil, Columbia, Portugal, Greece, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Congo etc etc etc.
It is not down to race, and if you take it that way, it's YOUR problem, not the statement that is being mad. It just so happens that when it comes to illegal immigrats here in Texas, that a majority of them are from Mexico. That is not racist, it's a fact that is where they are from. The bills are not propsing we single out a ethnic group, we are singling out a specific undocumented person with no ethical backround considered.
By the way, in the 1920 when a lot of immigrats came over, they went through New York's Ellis Island where they became documented. They are not considered illegals at that point, when they signed their name, they then become documented.
I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU COME FROM, JUST DO IT LEGALLY AND PAY FOR THE PRIVILEDGE OF LIVING HERE!!! It's a priviledge to live in the USA, not a right.
The illegal immigrants should also not ask for "American Rights" and be considered by the "US Constitution" which only applies to CITIZENS!
05-19-2007, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 1320FEVER
I'll bet some of our ancestors were illegal aliens.
05-19-2007, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GTOpowered240sx
Are you an illegal alien????
If not, then why are you so offended? What does ANY of this have to do with legal immigrants or US citizens?? NOTHING, other than making it harder for us.
I sure wish I could beat the system like the illegals are doing! The IRS hit me personally for $55000 THIS YEAR. So to all the sorry asses that can't respect the laws of our country and legally become a citizen
If not, then why are you so offended? What does ANY of this have to do with legal immigrants or US citizens?? NOTHING, other than making it harder for us.
I sure wish I could beat the system like the illegals are doing! The IRS hit me personally for $55000 THIS YEAR. So to all the sorry asses that can't respect the laws of our country and legally become a citizen
wow i didn't see the other 0 you must make a lot of money then to get taxed $55000! what is that? $300,000 at 28ish% woooo ok. show me where the IRS noted how much you spent cuz of illegals.
but seriosly get your facts and statement straight.
05-19-2007, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by kornfreak_401
wow i didn't see the other 0 you must make a lot of money then to get taxed $55000! what is that? $300,000 at 28ish% woooo ok. show me where the IRS noted how much you spent cuz of illegals. but seriosly get your facts and statement straight.
but seriosly get your facts and statement straight.Illegal immigrants don't pay property tax (apartment dwellers pay a fraction), so, if you've got an illiegal immigrant family of 6 (two adults 4 children), and those children are in grade school, it will cost the homeowners 4 times the amount to eduate those kids that their parents are not contributing to the education system by putting tax dollars into.
It all is a giantic circle. However, the "legal" people that follow the laws are paying for those that do NOT follow the laws. And that pisses me off, why should I pay for them? This is not a socialist economy, if you want to live in one of those, goto Europe.
Why are we deciding to follow some laws (murder, theft, etc) but not enforce immigration laws?
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Originally Posted by Splitz
Well, think of it this way.
Illegal immigrants don't pay property tax (apartment dwellers pay a fraction), so, if you've got an illiegal immigrant family of 6 (two adults 4 children), and those children are in grade school, it will cost the homeowners 4 times the amount to eduate those kids that their parents are not contributing to the education system by putting tax dollars into.
It all is a giantic circle. However, the "legal" people that follow the laws are paying for those that do NOT follow the laws. And that pisses me off, why should I pay for them? This is not a socialist economy, if you want to live in one of those, goto Europe.
Why are we deciding to follow some laws (murder, theft, etc) but not enforce immigration laws?
Illegal immigrants don't pay property tax (apartment dwellers pay a fraction), so, if you've got an illiegal immigrant family of 6 (two adults 4 children), and those children are in grade school, it will cost the homeowners 4 times the amount to eduate those kids that their parents are not contributing to the education system by putting tax dollars into.
It all is a giantic circle. However, the "legal" people that follow the laws are paying for those that do NOT follow the laws. And that pisses me off, why should I pay for them? This is not a socialist economy, if you want to live in one of those, goto Europe.
Why are we deciding to follow some laws (murder, theft, etc) but not enforce immigration laws?
I already said it!! I agree!!! we know what the problem is! lets fix it!! I totally respect and appreciate your explanation, more ppl need to do this. but how or where did you get the 4 times as much fact? This problem is one of those that gets really deep in there, the more technical one. but this does bring it back to taxing the income of all immigrants. you have to tax their income and all that trash which then comes back to specifics... a big circle like you say, but this is not the only thing that comes and circles around.
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Originally Posted by kornfreak_401
That right there sir is just straight up racist, there's no explaining that...
Take the time and dedicate yourself to this country legally, and then enjoy what it has to offer. All the jackasses protesting with Mexican flags need to gtfo. If Mexico is so great, stay there.
I'm all for putting up a huge wall on the border surrounded by landmines.
Well, maybe not the landmines. If anyone of any race wants to come to this country they should do several things. Learn English, Pay taxes, insure yourself and your vehicles, and become a citizen. Otherwise they are squatters who are taking the liberties that everyone else in this country works hard for for granted.
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Originally Posted by vette
This is definately WRONG It is why our healthcare is so HIGH Terroists come through our borders also.....Just like ILLEGAL DRUGS
