someone prove me wrong..
Staging Lane
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 53
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From: Richmond
Oh yeah i am a proud owner of an LS2 now....
Cadillac CTS-V
built engine (roughly 5K retail)
-1600 rods
-800 pistons
-XXX Bearings
-XXX machine shop
head P&P
-3000 parts and labor
turbo kit (Mine)
-3000 (80mm) retail turbo could easily be 1600 for a 76mm
-1000 manifold
-850 DP/MP 4"
intercooler
-1700 Greddy 4 Row
intake manifold(optional but recomended)
-2800 (retail) everything you need there are other less expenciveoptions
fuel system
-300 3 walbro pump
-500-800 injectors(6)
-XXX fuel lines -10 split 2x -8
-XXX fittings and filter
engine mngmt
-1700 AEM
-XXX Sensors
-800 FJO W/B
drive line (6spd)
-2600 CC RPS Clutch
-XXX Drive shaft (optional)
Grand Total: this is no expense sparred rough estimate $21,000(my setup) there are less expensive options...could net about 3-4K in savings engine mngmt, and turbo setup.
Cadillac CTS-V
Originally Posted by | Powered by Satan |
we sat down and thought about what it would cost from oil pan to intake, from tuning to fuel systems, and to make a solid 800rw pump gas motor, close to the high 900rwhp even 1000rwhp area on race gas, and you could build a simple 6.0l truck motor, with some worked over ls6 heads and a big turbo should run around 10-14k like Jeff said, for a reliable set up.
anyway you cut it, a 1000 hp motor will still be pricey, and i'm sure it still cost around the same amount to make that power with a 2jz
I guess we could ask Kareem bc he makes over 1000rwhp on boost alone to see how much he spent on it.
anyway you cut it, a 1000 hp motor will still be pricey, and i'm sure it still cost around the same amount to make that power with a 2jz
I guess we could ask Kareem bc he makes over 1000rwhp on boost alone to see how much he spent on it.
-1600 rods
-800 pistons
-XXX Bearings
-XXX machine shop
head P&P
-3000 parts and labor
turbo kit (Mine)
-3000 (80mm) retail turbo could easily be 1600 for a 76mm
-1000 manifold
-850 DP/MP 4"
intercooler
-1700 Greddy 4 Row
intake manifold(optional but recomended)
-2800 (retail) everything you need there are other less expenciveoptions
fuel system
-300 3 walbro pump
-500-800 injectors(6)
-XXX fuel lines -10 split 2x -8
-XXX fittings and filter
engine mngmt
-1700 AEM
-XXX Sensors
-800 FJO W/B
drive line (6spd)
-2600 CC RPS Clutch
-XXX Drive shaft (optional)
Grand Total: this is no expense sparred rough estimate $21,000(my setup) there are less expensive options...could net about 3-4K in savings engine mngmt, and turbo setup.
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From: Houston / University of Texas, Austin
Originally Posted by LS What???
Oh yeah i am a proud owner of an LS2 now....
Cadillac CTS-V
built engine (roughly 5K retail)
-1600 rods
-800 pistons
-XXX Bearings
-XXX machine shop
head P&P
-3000 parts and labor
turbo kit (Mine)
-3000 (80mm) retail turbo could easily be 1600 for a 76mm
-1000 manifold
-850 DP/MP 4"
intercooler
-1700 Greddy 4 Row
intake manifold(optional but recomended)
-2800 (retail) everything you need there are other less expenciveoptions
fuel system
-300 3 walbro pump
-500-800 injectors(6)
-XXX fuel lines -10 split 2x -8
-XXX fittings and filter
engine mngmt
-1700 AEM
-XXX Sensors
-800 FJO W/B
drive line (6spd)
-2600 CC RPS Clutch
-XXX Drive shaft (optional)
Grand Total: this is no expense sparred rough estimate $21,000(my setup) there are less expensive options...could net about 3-4K in savings engine mngmt, and turbo setup.
Cadillac CTS-V
built engine (roughly 5K retail)
-1600 rods
-800 pistons
-XXX Bearings
-XXX machine shop
head P&P
-3000 parts and labor
turbo kit (Mine)
-3000 (80mm) retail turbo could easily be 1600 for a 76mm
-1000 manifold
-850 DP/MP 4"
intercooler
-1700 Greddy 4 Row
intake manifold(optional but recomended)
-2800 (retail) everything you need there are other less expenciveoptions
fuel system
-300 3 walbro pump
-500-800 injectors(6)
-XXX fuel lines -10 split 2x -8
-XXX fittings and filter
engine mngmt
-1700 AEM
-XXX Sensors
-800 FJO W/B
drive line (6spd)
-2600 CC RPS Clutch
-XXX Drive shaft (optional)
Grand Total: this is no expense sparred rough estimate $21,000(my setup) there are less expensive options...could net about 3-4K in savings engine mngmt, and turbo setup.
I saw that on HPD, looks sick bro... I knew your setup would be a little more just bc you have a well built car. But I think it is agreeable that a 1000hp motor will and should cost about the same.
Launching!
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From: H-Town
No question about it, the Supra motors are some of the best motors ever produced.
They have proven themselves time and time again on all accounts.
Thats an interesting project to say the least.
It would be about 20k to copy the setup I have now as far as engine/blower goes.
- not counting fuel system
- tranny/clutch, etc...
They have proven themselves time and time again on all accounts.
Thats an interesting project to say the least.
It would be about 20k to copy the setup I have now as far as engine/blower goes.
- not counting fuel system
- tranny/clutch, etc...
Staging Lane
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
From: Richmond
Originally Posted by G-Z06
No question about it, the Supra motors are some of the best motors ever produced.
They have proven themselves time and time again on all accounts.
Thats an interesting project to say the least.
It would be about 20k to copy the setup I have now as far as engine/blower goes.
- not counting fuel system
- tranny/clutch, etc...
They have proven themselves time and time again on all accounts.
Thats an interesting project to say the least.
It would be about 20k to copy the setup I have now as far as engine/blower goes.
- not counting fuel system
- tranny/clutch, etc...
Originally Posted by G-Z06
It would be about 20k to copy the setup I have now as far as engine/blower goes.
- not counting fuel system
- tranny/clutch, etc...
Dear God! How in the hell did your 408 and F1-A kit cost so much?
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Originally Posted by LS What???
Oh yeah i am a proud owner of an LS2 now....
Cadillac CTS-V
built engine (roughly 5K retail)
-1600 rods
-800 pistons
-XXX Bearings
-XXX machine shop
head P&P
-3000 parts and labor
turbo kit (Mine)
-3000 (80mm) retail turbo could easily be 1600 for a 76mm
-1000 manifold
-850 DP/MP 4"
intercooler
-1700 Greddy 4 Row
intake manifold(optional but recomended)
-2800 (retail) everything you need there are other less expenciveoptions
fuel system
-300 3 walbro pump
-500-800 injectors(6)
-XXX fuel lines -10 split 2x -8
-XXX fittings and filter
engine mngmt
-1700 AEM
-XXX Sensors
-800 FJO W/B
drive line (6spd)
-2600 CC RPS Clutch
-XXX Drive shaft (optional)
Grand Total: this is no expense sparred rough estimate $21,000(my setup) there are less expensive options...could net about 3-4K in savings engine mngmt, and turbo setup.
Cadillac CTS-V
built engine (roughly 5K retail)
-1600 rods
-800 pistons
-XXX Bearings
-XXX machine shop
head P&P
-3000 parts and labor
turbo kit (Mine)
-3000 (80mm) retail turbo could easily be 1600 for a 76mm
-1000 manifold
-850 DP/MP 4"
intercooler
-1700 Greddy 4 Row
intake manifold(optional but recomended)
-2800 (retail) everything you need there are other less expenciveoptions
fuel system
-300 3 walbro pump
-500-800 injectors(6)
-XXX fuel lines -10 split 2x -8
-XXX fittings and filter
engine mngmt
-1700 AEM
-XXX Sensors
-800 FJO W/B
drive line (6spd)
-2600 CC RPS Clutch
-XXX Drive shaft (optional)
Grand Total: this is no expense sparred rough estimate $21,000(my setup) there are less expensive options...could net about 3-4K in savings engine mngmt, and turbo setup.
copycat..just because i have a LS2 and a supra doenst mean you have to go get one too...LOL..
congrats Kareem..hurry up and get the supra out there..i know you have been very busy, but dont stop racing!!!!!!!!
Launching!
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From: H-Town
Originally Posted by BigBronco
Dear God! How in the hell did your 408 and F1-A kit cost so much?
8k grand for the blower unit (F1-C) with custom parts from A&A.
12k to match the work for the 408 (Hell the heads from greg good were $3500 alone)
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Originally Posted by BigBronco
. Just depends on who is building and WHO is tuning.
and thats another thing..you can do bolt ons and be able to make 700hp easily using the stock ECU with some minor piggybacks..there is no tuning involve with my car..just put in race gas and go..the stock ECU will handle everything..
and to continue this discusion..
it doesnt seem very easy and cheap to make 700hp in the LSx motor...I see honda and misubitsi guys making 750 hp all the time with just a built motor and a turbo kit..(thru a 4 cylinder)
i guess it all boils down to the turbos..why cant we just bolt on a turbo kit on the LSx motor and make crazy HP with it and have it run right and be reilable??
Staging Lane
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From: Richmond
Originally Posted by sc300
copycat..just because i have a LS2 and a supra doenst mean you have to go get one too...LOL..
congrats Kareem..hurry up and get the supra out there..i know you have been very busy, but dont stop racing!!!!!!!!
congrats Kareem..hurry up and get the supra out there..i know you have been very busy, but dont stop racing!!!!!!!!
car is on the back burner...back in Sept...i think
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Originally Posted by G-Z06
8k grand for the blower unit (F1-C) with custom parts from A&A.
12k to match the work for the 408 (Hell the heads from greg good were $3500 alone)
12k to match the work for the 408 (Hell the heads from greg good were $3500 alone)
G, I talked to Tommy and he said that is a good deal...you will have fun with the car and when you're ready to sell it you will get all your money back!!!!!!!!
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From: Houston
There is still no replacement for displacement.
I would take an LSx blocked 427 Twin Turbo over a supra engine any day.
You really need to compare power curves and track times to make a choice on this. Even with both being FI, they are going to run differently down the track.
I would take an LSx blocked 427 Twin Turbo over a supra engine any day.
You really need to compare power curves and track times to make a choice on this. Even with both being FI, they are going to run differently down the track.
I'm waiting for Top Fuel Dragsters to finally realize the benefits of the 2JZ. V8 power sucks! 
Come on Duy, you know that with money you can build whatever you want. We already know the Supra can handle excellent power under boost with a stock engine. This isn't a new discovery. Why can't the LS1 do the same? Because they use cheap *** cast pistons and weak rods. The engines were not designed for boost. When LSX engines start being sold from the factory with turbos, then I'm sure they will be designed for boost. Similar to how the '03-04 Cobra engines were upgraded for the blower.
Why ask questions you already know the answer to? Nobody in the entire universe will ever convince you that the Supra engine isn't the best to YOU. We each have our own interests and budgets.
Come on Duy, you know that with money you can build whatever you want. We already know the Supra can handle excellent power under boost with a stock engine. This isn't a new discovery. Why can't the LS1 do the same? Because they use cheap *** cast pistons and weak rods. The engines were not designed for boost. When LSX engines start being sold from the factory with turbos, then I'm sure they will be designed for boost. Similar to how the '03-04 Cobra engines were upgraded for the blower.
Why ask questions you already know the answer to? Nobody in the entire universe will ever convince you that the Supra engine isn't the best to YOU. We each have our own interests and budgets.
Originally Posted by | Powered by Satan |
well we were just sitting around thinking bang for the buck... afr 225's were our other choice, but he was alluding to if you could build a cheap motor to make power...
but it is all in retrospect to prove lsx's are = to 2jz's
but it is all in retrospect to prove lsx's are = to 2jz's
850 for the castings, 300 for a spring kit with seals, retainers, keepers etc, 280 for the valves, port work, valve job, assembly as the remaining amount.
This isn't our only project, maybe the most controversial one. 
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Originally Posted by sc300
i guess it all boils down to the turbos..why cant we just bolt on a turbo kit on the LSx motor and make crazy HP with it and have it run right and be reilable??
Apples to apples is a whatever foreign motor vs. a forged LSx, right?