Originally Posted by Elite_Hot_Rod

Do you like living here? Then earn the right to live here, defend the freedoms you have, someone else did it for you. If everybody felt like you do this place would really be screwed up. What would of happened 200 years ago if people thought the way you do now? Think about it, someone had to sacrifice for you to be where you are now. The welfare of the many is more important than the welfare of one. You are selfish, all you have said is me, me, me. Contrary to what you might think this country isn't all about you.

Originally Posted by Zangel

You can't teach someone by making a law that requires them to do something that they don't want to do. By forcing people to go to war, they will ultimately turn against this country.... not learn to love it and respect it. Since we are making all of these laws "for their own good" why don't we make other laws that require everyone to speak English since that is the "official language" of America. We should throw anyone speaking another language into jail so they can learn to respect our ways. I don't think anyone who is on welfare is being very responsible. We should just take all of that away so they can learn to take care of themselves and if they don't make it .... oh well, not our problem! You have to earn your own money to make it in this country. Not everyone does their part, but why is that just cause to punish everyone? So, because one person goes into a school and shoots it up, does that mean we should make all guns illegal? In order to solve the illegal drug problem in the US, should we require all citizens to sign up for a drug program once a year? Obviously that sounds ridiculous. Just because people don't sign up to be in the military doesn't mean they don't respect this country and haven't earned the right to be here. Some people volunteer to help the homeless, some people donate to the local children's hospital, some people go to college and become doctors, some people go into the military and fight our wars, some people go into office to make our laws, some people become police officers to protect our citizens, some people become teachers to teach our children. Most people do their part because they respect this country and work to protect our freedoms in different ways. Some people just don't care and do take advantage of the system. You can't change that no matter what you do... making people sign up for the military would only add fuel to the fire.

Originally Posted by woswill

The guy calls telling me about how im like the "1st round 1st pick" and i can get into any field i want since i scored high on the asvab, i tell the guy i plan on going to college after high school. He starts telling me about all they have to offer and ****..I tell him ya..i plan on going to college, if i change my mind ill let you know trying not to be rude. He asked if we wanted to meet somewhere to talk about it and i was like no thx..

Those guys are persistent..

Originally Posted by HTX

German citizens are far more loyal to thier coutry than US citizens are.

Originally Posted by Zangel

You can't teach someone by making a law that requires them to do something that they don't want to do. By forcing people to go to war, they will ultimately turn against this country.... not learn to love it and respect it. Since we are making all of these laws "for their own good" why don't we make other laws that require everyone to speak English since that is the "official language" of America. We should throw anyone speaking another language into jail so they can learn to respect our ways. I don't think anyone who is on welfare is being very responsible. We should just take all of that away so they can learn to take care of themselves and if they don't make it .... oh well, not our problem! You have to earn your own money to make it in this country. Not everyone does their part, but why is that just cause to punish everyone? So, because one person goes into a school and shoots it up, does that mean we should make all guns illegal? In order to solve the illegal drug problem in the US, should we require all citizens to sign up for a drug program once a year? Obviously that sounds ridiculous. Just because people don't sign up to be in the military doesn't mean they don't respect this country and haven't earned the right to be here. Some people volunteer to help the homeless, some people donate to the local children's hospital, some people go to college and become doctors, some people go into the military and fight our wars, some people go into office to make our laws, some people become police officers to protect our citizens, some people become teachers to teach our children. Most people do their part because they respect this country and work to protect our freedoms in different ways. Some people just don't care and do take advantage of the system. You can't change that no matter what you do... making people sign up for the military would only add fuel to the fire.

Originally Posted by DSIM

I cant believe I read this. Not very well thought out.

#1-Serving in the military automatically means you are going to war? I was in the military, and I did not go to war. Not very many had before 9/11. Think about the last great military altercation... that would be the 1st gulf war. So there was a 12 year span where the vast majority of the military did nothing.

#2- Illegal to speak any other language than English? Thats ignorant, we are talking about doing 2 years of military service. Do you know what that would mean for the poor people of America? It would give them a chance, they would earn some money... and then get college paid for. What is so wrong with that? We wouldn't need to tell people that welfare was canceled, it would virtually disappear.

#3- Everyone would still be able to do whatever the hell they want after they serve. We are not trying to make this Communist Russia for God's sake. People act like this would be the end of America as we know it.


Anyone ever heard of the Greatest Generation? In case you havent, it was the generation of men and women that served in WW2. There is a saying that I heard last night, "Never before was so much owed to so many for the preservation of freedom on Earth." They saw it, they knew what was going on, and they still continued to fill the recruiting stations.



Ask not what your Country can do for you, ask what you can do for your Country

Originally Posted by Zangel

You act like serving in the military is the only good thing that someone can do for their country....

Originally Posted by GTO JIMMY

Can I ask what you do for the greater good of the country? Im not saying you dont or anything I just wanna know exactly what you do?

Originally Posted by Zangel

Currently I am studying to become an elementary teacher. In the past I have volunteered at schools, hospitals, nursing homes, and shelters. I have donated time and money to different children's hospitals and cancer centers. For 2 years I helped build homes for Habitat for Humanity and assisted with many food and toy drives. For several months I was a part of a local volunteer organization that gave time to cleaning up the community by painting over graffiti, cleaning up school playgrounds, picking up trash off the roads, planting trees and cleaning up homes for elderly people. After our city was hit with a huge flood, I helped strangers pull carpet, move furniture, brought them food and water, etc... I even offered to take gas out of my own car and give it to strangers when the city ran out. I always enjoy helping those in need and I wish I could do so much more. I'm not a heartless person and I don't expect anything from the people I have helped. In fact, those that know me would probably say that I am one of the most caring people they have ever met. I can't leave a stray dog stranded on the side of the road. I can't pass a homeless person without coming back to offer them food or whatever else I can provide. Of course I can't bring them home because Brian would kill me but I do what I can.

Again, I may not understand everything about the military but at this point in time I just don't think it would be right. I might agree with your plan if we were a smaller country with greater stability and not involved in world conflict.

Originally Posted by Zangel

You speak as if this would be the greatest thing for poor people, but what exactly is keeping these poor people from signing up right now?

Originally Posted by DSIM

Addresses and high school education (or lack there-of). Gotta have both to join. So the opportunity isn't there for everyone like we may think. A lot are also hampered by their criminal records.


Also, in this day... 8 out of 10 poor people don't want to work for what they got. The hand outs are good for poor people with 8 kids.

Originally Posted by Zangel

So, you can't get into the military if you have a criminal record? That seems backwards to me. Couldn't the military be a good eye opener for those people? If you want to teach discipline and respect to anyone, shouldn't you start with the criminals? I also don't understand why you have to have a high school degree or an address. Although, when I volunteered in a shelter, many of the homeless people used that as their address so an option is available. You would also be surprised how many homeless people did graduate. I have heard some really sad stories but most of them don't start until early adulthood. I can say that if military service became a requirement, the above rules would have to change. Otherwise, we would see an increase in criminal activity and more high school drop outs.

Originally Posted by regorih383

dont do it or you will end up like this ARMY GUY,clueless and thinking hes having a good time