Might as well just make the trip up and get your refund. Just turn it into a mini vacation.

 

What everyone needs to do is get it out of your head who's posting this. Since its Dragaholic that has an issue, everyone is going against him. You need to look at the situation only, not be biased and have favortism for anyone.

Put yourself in my shoes and you'll understand. You're only taking his side because its me that's posting this. Lets be fair here.

Yes, they are now mine when I drove off with them, but I wasn't going to deal with Parker Tx's roommate's parents. How gay is that? They were doing me a favor by taking them home with them after visiting Parker Tx's roommate. I wanted to deal with him personally through the board because he never gave me his number.

The point is, I was lied to! I WAS LIED TO. I took his word on the condition of the seats and they were NO WHERE NEAR the condition he stated. I Paypaled him first before even seeing the seats. I TRUSTED him. Not to mention that he charged me $50 more than what he posted.

I wouldn't have minded paying $350, but they weren't worth it. LOOK AT THE PICS!

Yes I'm bitching that I drove to the northside of Houston, 120 miles around trip, because I got something that was totally different than what was told to me. This thread would not exist if I would have gotten what I paid for.

Sure, there was arrangements made for the seats to be brough to Houston from Dallas, but what did it cost them...a favor? They were already going down there to visit their son, Parker Tx's roommate and took them back. If in the beginning he stated local only, then guess what...I would have declined!

I just don't think you get it. How am I suppose to decline something I haven't seen yet, but pay for them? That's screwed up. Put yourself in my shoes. Say you paid for something you haven't seen, yet pictures of, and double and triple checked with the seller of any flaws and he states no. Then you get there and you find a bunch of flaws.

I'm actually trying to help him out. If I drive out there, drop the seats back off, get my refund, I GUARANTEE he's not going to get $350 for the seats. So what's the point? A waste of time, money, trip, fuel, etc. for the both of us. He's better off just refunding me some of the money.

Parker TX, yes you did link me, but guess what, I made a mistake a missed the price. But as an honest seller, you shouldn't have said $350. You took advantage of me. I bet you wouldn't have done that if we had made this deal in person.

You're right, I didn't want to pay the fee that YOUR Paypal account charges YOU! I offered to send you a money order or cashier's check.

What would it have mattered if I had went to the bank and brought cash? YOU WEREN'T THERE! I dealt with YOUR ROOMMATE'S PARENTS.

Sure, I asked for his parents to meet me, it was just a request. I didn't demand it. It doesn't hurt to ask.

I never said I was on an honor system with you, but you lied about the seats and failed to tell me their REAL condition. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. I trusted you.

Don't insult me buddy!!! That is the LAST thing YOU want to do.

The seats are fucked up! They're not worth $350. You had them listed for $300. You were dishonest about the condition and about the price. You've got your money and now you don't want to MAN up and do the right thing.

 

******* stupid analogy. If you paid for a Caddy, showed up to a dealership and they gave you a Honda, would you drive the Honda home and then bitch about it after the fact? Or would you tell the dealership to keep the Honda and ask for a refund?

COME ON PEOPLE, HE SAW THESE IN PERSON!!!! HE MADE THE DUMBASS CHOICE TO TAKE THEM AND THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT NOT WANTING TO RETURN THEM BECAUSE OF 120 MILES ROUND-TRIP. He drives a diesel truck, has mentioned it gets ~18 mpg. That means six gallons of fuel, which is about $18. GET OFF YOUR *** AND RETURN THEM WHERE YOU PICKED THEM UP!!!!!



someone mentioned possible bans happening, that would be a GOOD bet. I'm so sick of this guy.

 

I'm going to duck out for a bit. I'll be back later for further entertainment.

 

How do you figure???

He wasnt dealing with Parker directly for the pickup but his roommates parents. He would have been more of a ******** not to take them instead of trying to sort things out himself. They did both of the guys a favor, they werent responsible for storing the crappy seats.

 

Ok...this is obviously all about reputation, who's posting this, who's posting that, who's a moderator, who's not. I'm not going to have a war with everyone because guess what...I would lose. Too many people against me and not enough on my side.

I'm at work risking getting in trouble to calmly and maturely solve this, but I just don't have the privilage to sit here and argue with you guys.

If what is going to solve this matter is to drive back down there to get a refund, then so be it. But guess what...

it would be more beneficial to him if he would just refund me some of the money back as opposed to losing all of it and now everyone is totally aware of these seats. Its going to be very hard to sell them and if he does find someone, he won't be getting no where near $350! At the MINIMUM, I should be given $50 back because they were listed for $300.

 

Are you that stupid to not admit you misrepresented these things?

Newsflash everyone:
Drag fucked up by taking the seats.
Parker Tx fucked up on his description.

Drag - Take the seats back to where you picked them up and get your money back.

 

Drag, just take them to Dallas and get your money back.

 

For gas and $100 Ill go down get the damn seats and bring them back. So no one will have to move off their lazy asses and actually make an attempt to resolve this. Damn I feel like Im back in junior high. We are adults arent we?

 

Here's a couple ideas, buddy. A. Describe the item correctly. B. Include detailed pictures. Both "A" and "B" do wonders for creating smooth transactions.

 

Bullshit, it is just that you are too ignorant to realize how things work in the real world. It is always someone else's fault when it comes to you.

It was just as gay that they even offered to help you at all. These people drove 250 miles for you, why would it be hard to tell them the seats were in crappy condition and that you weren't comfortable with the purchase? They are car people too (members here) and would have understood. Hell, they probably would have AGREED with you! So, they were involved whether they wanted to be or not by then.

Did you ASK for his number? I'll bet Aaron's parents also had his number, you could have called upon inspection of the seats. BEFORE taking them.

You are just as guilty at not remembering the first price as he was, maybe he told three different prospective buyers three different prices? Why should he have to keep notes if you are the one willing to pay for the item? YOU should have remembered the first price too. I call a draw on that one.

I agree those seats look like crap. BUT, you saw them IN PERSON. You made the choice to accept them as-is. The right thing to do would have been to decline them and ask for a refund. THIS situation exists because YOU created it when you drove off with them.

Wrong, you accepted something other than what you wanted. You made that choice, he didn't ship them to you and surprise you with them. Do you ever buy used items without inspecting them first? I don't, whenever possible. You had that opportunity but didn't take it. Shame on YOU. And please don't bitch about 120 miles again, you are far from being a broke-*** living under a bridge. Now you will have to drive 240 miles total when you return them, a choice YOU made.

It was a favor nobody owed you. How quickly you seem to dismiss this since it didn't cost you anything. Regardless of how they got to Houston, they were "shipped" 250 miles to help you out. Why put a value on someone trying to help you?

I paid for my red '69 Camaro and my orange '69 Camaro, as well as my '67 Camaro, my orange Firehawk, and even my 35th SS without ever seeing them in person. I went to pick them up in person, just like you did. Had any of them been misrepresented, I would have left them there and gotten a refund. This is how NORMAL transactions occur. You are bitching like he shipped them to your doorstep and surprised you. That excuse isn't valid since YOU SAW THEM BEFORE RECEIVING THEM.

That is a completely different situation, you can work that out separately if you wish. Has nothing to do with this current issue.

The RIGHT thing is for you to quit bitching like a schoolgirl and take the seats back where you picked them up, and then get a refund. It isn't the right thing to hold the seats ransom, bitch about not getting a discount, and then complain about merchandise that you inspected and decided to take as-is when you left the pickup point. How about you take some responsibility here and take the seats back?

 

I personally know none of ya'll, but looking in from the outside. To me it seems there was a misrepresentation of merchandise, they are definetly flawed. There is an arguement about leaving the seats after they were paid for... my take is if Drag doesn't personally know the parents that brought the seats down to their house for Him & Parker since it was both of their deal. Then no I wouldn't wanna burden them with bitching about the seats I was supposed to pick up and expecting to leave them at THEIR house. I would have taken them and then contacted Parker immediately, but after talking to him if he said take them back to THEIR house and then get your money back. I would have gladly made the drive back, but to have to drive them back to Dallas no I don't think so. So if all Drag needs to do is take them back to the parents house and get his money by all means Drag load the damn things up and drive them back. On the other hand if Drag knows the parents personally the he should have expressed his dissatisfaction and left them to go contact Parker for a refund.

 

Ok, so I've had some time to think about things, talk it over with a coworker since he isn't involved in cars, I barely know him, and doesn't post here. So his opinion won't be biased whatsoever.

I've taken everything that has been said here into consideration, not just throwing it out the door standing by what I think and what I think only. I am viewing this on both sides.

So here it is...

I paid for a set of seats BEFORE I saw them. I took the guy's word, giving him the TRUST. I show up, give them a quick glance, saw flaws, but took them anyway. I didn't want to bitch about this or that or say I didn't want them to complete strangers. Plus, they did me a favor by bringing them to Houston. They weren't involved in the deal other than keeping them for me to pick up. I'm sure they weren't aware of all the details.

The guy already lied to me about the price and the condition of the seats, why on earth would I decline the sale, leaving them there, and TRUSTING him again when I get home that he'll refund me the money? Think about that.

He already lied to me, why should I trust him to refund me my money?

If it takes me driving back out there to get my money back, then I'll have to get over the fact about using my fuel and time. That was just part of the deal. However, I am entitled to a FULL refund, because I am NOT responsible for HIS Paypal fees.

However, I have offered to fix them to the best of my ability saving us both the hassle, time, fuel, etc. with a partial refund because this is out in the open now and everyone know's the true condition of the seats. I highly doubt he will ever sell them and if he does, he's not going to get **** for them. He's better off just refunding me some money back. But if he just wants the seats back, I have no problem with that. But I REFUSE to keep them for $350.

He was dishonest about the seats regardless, its there in the pictures. They're not worth $350.

We are suppose to be adults here. We are suppose to be board members that help each other out. We're suppose to be on the same team. Put the negative feelings that you have for me, the view you have on me for my past, and realize that I was wronged.

 

So when will these seats be listed for sale at GM Dealership pricing, minus about 1%? Thats regular dragaholic pricing right?

Quit bitching, quit holding them ransom and move on.

 

Well, you can't say this wasn't entertaining.

 

Here is my 2 cents.

1.) The seats are **** and are worth MAYBE $200, more like $150.

2.) You actually went there, saw them, and STILL took them. So it is ALL ON THE BUYER. Had he shipped that crap to you then I can see your complaint, but to go pick something up, then bitch about it is just stupid.

 

Hindsight is always 20/20.

No matter what Drag would have done, some people on here would have given him **** for it. Why? Because he's Drag. With some people on here, common sense goes out the window and malice walks in the door when Drag is involved.

If he would have left them with the 3rd party, some of y'all would be telling him he should have taken them. Either way, Drag loses in some peoples eyes.

The bottom line is..

The seats were misrepresented

Parker keeping that extra $50 above the posted sale price on this forum and trying to justify it by saying it's Drag's fault for not reading, is complete and utter bullshit, plain and simple. IMO, it just shows his character. I don't know the guy, so that's all I have to go on. Come on guys, if you went to Circuit city and bought a TV for $350, then went home and saw that it was advertised in the paper for $300, you telling me you wouldn't go straight back to CC and get your $50 back??? You're damn right you would!

Because Drag is Drag, he's gonna be seen as the ******* here by anyone who "hates" him, which unfortunately happens to be most of the people "in charge" here.

I'm with you Drag, Parker should just give you some money back (whatever amount that can be agreed upon) and y'all call it a day. It would seem to be the easiest solution for both parties, but some may have ulterior motives and that can cloud "better judgement." If you do decide to drive all the way up there in order to get your "full" refund, you better make sure the amount is completely agreed upon B4 turning that key. I'd hate to see you drive all the way up there, only to have to deal with more BS.

Finally, when you submit a refund thru PayPal, BOTH parties are refunded their fees, so there should be no need to lessen the amount you are owed back. Drag would get his $350 and Parker would get his 3% back from PayPal. Read the policies & procedures at PayPal.

 

How about this. Let's look at it equally.

We were both in the wrong.

We both made mistakes.

But you know what it boils down to...

I made an honest mistake by trusting a fellow member who I thought was trying to help me out, while at the same time help him out, by paying him before I saw a set of seats, taking his word on the condition. I made an honest mistake to take them anyway, because I wanted to avoid bringing complete strangers into the situation.

But guess what...

His mistakes were dishonest. He posted a set of seats for sale for $300, he told me $350. I asked him if there were any tears, rips, or anything else I should be aware of and he said no. I made sure of the 2 or 3 times before I paid him. I get a set of seats that were no where the condition he claimed them to be.

You can call me a crybaby all you want, you can say I need to stop bitching all you want, you can call me names all you want, you can be on his side all you want, but what it boils down to is his mistakes are wrong and dishonest and my mistakes were honest.

So let's just get on with it already and settle it.

Do you want the seats back and give me a 100% refund?

Or avoid the trouble/hassle of trying to sell them all over again (which I doubt will happen now that everyone knows the REAL condition), and just give me a $150 back?

 

 

whats up with all the hate towards Drag? i obviously haven't been here long enough to know who he is or develop that hatred yet.