Forum Rules and Sponsorship
For example... Mark Shaner.
He would be eligible for our lowest rate, which would probably what he makes for porting 2 tb's.
If he wants to increase he would formally advertise. It's a no brainer.
Also, if you have a Mark Shaner problem, I have no leverage. I can't for example kick him off the board. I can't hold him to any action plan.
He would be eligible for our lowest rate, which would probably what he makes for porting 2 tb's.
If he wants to increase he would formally advertise. It's a no brainer.
Also, if you have a Mark Shaner problem, I have no leverage. I can't for example kick him off the board. I can't hold him to any action plan.
Originally Posted by FelixIlka
If you go by what badride42 has said, the site brings in MORE and I mean MORE than enough, to easily fuel that and much more... I ran my own game on the net and I was paying 50 bucks a month for 10gb of bandwidth.
That's beside the point and this post isn't about that, it's changing into something completely different.
I and others ( I'm sure ) would like to see maybe a "specific" forum section for non-site sponsors. Who knows, if the vendor sells enough of a product they might look into becoming a vendor, who knows. Point is I'd like to see "offers" from people who can beat prices that are out there OR offer a product to the 50 thousand users on this site that nobody else offers. If I can purchase something from a non vendor for 79.95+5.95 shipping myself or get 15 other people who want the same thing and get it for 70 dollars shipped, what do you think I'd want to do?
Some vendors don't want to be sponsors here, probably because of the cost ( who knows why ) but to punish us into not being able to recieve the savings is NOT helping the LS1 community, just your own pocket book.
If this pisses some people off, oh well, I respect the opinions of others and I would expect the same in return..
That's beside the point and this post isn't about that, it's changing into something completely different.
I and others ( I'm sure ) would like to see maybe a "specific" forum section for non-site sponsors. Who knows, if the vendor sells enough of a product they might look into becoming a vendor, who knows. Point is I'd like to see "offers" from people who can beat prices that are out there OR offer a product to the 50 thousand users on this site that nobody else offers. If I can purchase something from a non vendor for 79.95+5.95 shipping myself or get 15 other people who want the same thing and get it for 70 dollars shipped, what do you think I'd want to do?
Some vendors don't want to be sponsors here, probably because of the cost ( who knows why ) but to punish us into not being able to recieve the savings is NOT helping the LS1 community, just your own pocket book.
If this pisses some people off, oh well, I respect the opinions of others and I would expect the same in return..
I like the site too, and I have learned quite a bit too, and I have even been able to help others. That's one thing. The problem I have is when someone asks a question, the site administrator frowns when the answer doesn't benefit a sponsor. That's wrong, and awefully ONE-SIDED and does not help the people on the site.
so if i got some work done localy and someone asked me where i got it done i couldnt tell them?
its good when people in threads say "refer to sponsors" but if someone asks another person where they got their work done and for how much it shouldnt be a big deal... not like they came in here and were like "Ill/this person can/will do *blank* for *blank*" i dont know the situation but i know if someone asked me where i had some work done i know id tell them the place and cost, and if they wanted any other info id try to take it to pms.. the word of mouth is how most of the businesses to the right came about. the automotive industry is somewhat unique in that good companies make it, bad ones dont mainly because everything is word of mouth.
its good when people in threads say "refer to sponsors" but if someone asks another person where they got their work done and for how much it shouldnt be a big deal... not like they came in here and were like "Ill/this person can/will do *blank* for *blank*" i dont know the situation but i know if someone asked me where i had some work done i know id tell them the place and cost, and if they wanted any other info id try to take it to pms.. the word of mouth is how most of the businesses to the right came about. the automotive industry is somewhat unique in that good companies make it, bad ones dont mainly because everything is word of mouth.
Well the good thing honestly is that most of the industry leaders are sponsors on here... so there are not many leading edge shops that are not on here, I can almost count them on one hand.
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Originally Posted by Cop Car
so if i got some work done localy and someone asked me where i got it done i couldnt tell them?
Guys, it is REALLY simple.
1. You may speak about non-sponsoring shops and non-sponsoring products. This may only be done on a technical level, or just to report your experience, etc... with that vendor or part you saw/bought.
2. You man NOT post contact information or pricing for non-sponsors. This includes email addresses, website links, phone numbers, physical addresses, etc... Non-Sponsors do not get the privilege of gaining business from this site. This is where we draw the line.
If we allowed non-sponsors to solicit for business, or allow their customers to solicit business for them, that gives no incentive for ANY sponsor to pay to advertise here. Without paying sponsors, there is no LS1TECH. Sponsors here pay for the exclusive rights to market their products and services. **** them off, and they are gone. So is the site. Then there wouldn't be a site for members to get pissed off about not being able to post non-sponsor stuff on.
In the case of the chicken vs the egg, the egg (LS1TECH) came first. We had sponsors on this site before we had any members registered, from day one. Without them, there is no site for you to enjoy.
1. You may speak about non-sponsoring shops and non-sponsoring products. This may only be done on a technical level, or just to report your experience, etc... with that vendor or part you saw/bought.
2. You man NOT post contact information or pricing for non-sponsors. This includes email addresses, website links, phone numbers, physical addresses, etc... Non-Sponsors do not get the privilege of gaining business from this site. This is where we draw the line.
If we allowed non-sponsors to solicit for business, or allow their customers to solicit business for them, that gives no incentive for ANY sponsor to pay to advertise here. Without paying sponsors, there is no LS1TECH. Sponsors here pay for the exclusive rights to market their products and services. **** them off, and they are gone. So is the site. Then there wouldn't be a site for members to get pissed off about not being able to post non-sponsor stuff on.
In the case of the chicken vs the egg, the egg (LS1TECH) came first. We had sponsors on this site before we had any members registered, from day one. Without them, there is no site for you to enjoy.
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Originally Posted by FelixIlka
If no other sponsor offers the product, and the vendor that has it doesn't want to be a sponsor, we're all screwed then eh?
What part of "You may speak about non-sponsoring shops and non-sponsoring products." did you not understand?
Felixllka, there is a fine line between voicing your opinion, and pissing people off. You are about to cross it. You've voiced your opinion. The subject, and the stance of the owners of the board, has been explained to you, in much detail. If you have not gotten the point by now, you're just **** out of luck.
I would suggest dropping the point on this one. Pick your battles a little more wisely, this isn't one that is going to change.
I would suggest dropping the point on this one. Pick your battles a little more wisely, this isn't one that is going to change.
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I guess it was the part when I said "As Tony knows, I found a site that would offer a special deal on something for a good price and wanted to offer it to the community but because he wasn't a sponsor I was unable to offer it to everyone. I mentioned the idea of becoming a sponsor to the vendor but got no reply =/"
I found a vendor with the WS7 badges, not the shitty kind that one of the members is making, they look like the ones that were sold on ls1.com a long long time ago, I contacted the vendor, he said if I can get XX people, we could each save 15 dollars on the price ( including FREE shipping ). Now, if you do a search, a WS7 badge is something members want as they are paying 50 bucks for half-assed ones. I'm trying to help out myself ( I want one ) and the many many other members of this board but I was told I can't do it because they aren't a sponsor, well I can't force sponsorship upon a site obviously. So in the end, the people who want them lose out on 15 bucks because of honestly some strict rules ( maybe make it ok for a vendor to do GP's as long as no sponsor carries the product, or let us do it completely through PMs ). I just don't understand why WE get punished because a vendor doesn't become a sponsor.
Obviously this is getting nowhere and falling upon deaf ears, so this may as well be locked.
I found a vendor with the WS7 badges, not the shitty kind that one of the members is making, they look like the ones that were sold on ls1.com a long long time ago, I contacted the vendor, he said if I can get XX people, we could each save 15 dollars on the price ( including FREE shipping ). Now, if you do a search, a WS7 badge is something members want as they are paying 50 bucks for half-assed ones. I'm trying to help out myself ( I want one ) and the many many other members of this board but I was told I can't do it because they aren't a sponsor, well I can't force sponsorship upon a site obviously. So in the end, the people who want them lose out on 15 bucks because of honestly some strict rules ( maybe make it ok for a vendor to do GP's as long as no sponsor carries the product, or let us do it completely through PMs ). I just don't understand why WE get punished because a vendor doesn't become a sponsor.
Obviously this is getting nowhere and falling upon deaf ears, so this may as well be locked.
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Originally Posted by cyphur_traq
Felixllka, there is a fine line between voicing your opinion, and pissing people off. You are about to cross it. You've voiced your opinion. The subject, and the stance of the owners of the board, has been explained to you, in much detail. If you have not gotten the point by now, you're just **** out of luck.
I would suggest dropping the point on this one. Pick your battles a little more wisely, this isn't one that is going to change.
I would suggest dropping the point on this one. Pick your battles a little more wisely, this isn't one that is going to change.
If it get's me banned, so be it. I love this site, but if I'm going to be "threatened" for voicing my opinion and trying to get a point across..... I have not been vulgar, I haven't said anything out of line, yet you sit back and threaten me, that's just rude.
I did NOT post contact info or pricing about Shaner, two others did yet I am the only one that heard any flack from this. Now you know why this BIG ruckus is going on. Remember, I did not start this mess.
Felixllka, I'm not threatening you, you just don't seem to be catching on dude.
The policies have been explained to you, yet you keep pushing the issue. You don't like them, we understand that. But the administrators/owners have already spoken their piece about the topic and made thier views known. Just don't get why you keep pushing it.
The policies have been explained to you, yet you keep pushing the issue. You don't like them, we understand that. But the administrators/owners have already spoken their piece about the topic and made thier views known. Just don't get why you keep pushing it.
Felix, I also asked you to see if you could talk a current sponsor into hosting that GP for you. How many did you call?
Nobody here told you you couldn't buy that product. You simply can't use this site to solicit business for a non-sponsoring company. Why is this so hard to understand? Its a policy, we aren't "punishing" you. Thats an idiotic statement.
I just don't understand why WE get punished because a vendor doesn't become a sponsor
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Felix, I also asked you to see if you could talk a current sponsor into hosting that GP for you. How many did you call?
Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Nobody here told you you couldn't buy that product. You simply can't use this site to solicit business for a non-sponsoring company. Why is this so hard to understand? Its a policy, we aren't "punishing" you. Thats an idiotic statement.
I didn't respond before because this issue pisses me off ( obviously pisses other people off that I'm pushing/questioning it ) and frankly NOTHING will change out of it so posting in it any longer is a waste of ALL our time. ( Not to mention I COMPLETELY ninja'd the thread from sunsetta
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