Forum Rules and Sponsorship
Forum Rules and Sponsorship I'm sorry I mentioned the name of someone who ports TB's who is NOT a sponser on the Forum. I thought the purpose of this site was to help PEOPLE.
I have since found out that the REAL purpose must be to help SPONSORS. Many times before I have mentioned names and sites of those who happened to be Sponsors, but this is ONE time I did not. I, myself have always the used the forum for help, NEVER for the purpose of doing business. This is my OPINION, and I think I am entitled to that, but again I am sorry that the forum rules do NOT allow a wide range of information that could be helpful to all of its users. Thanks.
I have since found out that the REAL purpose must be to help SPONSORS. Many times before I have mentioned names and sites of those who happened to be Sponsors, but this is ONE time I did not. I, myself have always the used the forum for help, NEVER for the purpose of doing business. This is my OPINION, and I think I am entitled to that, but again I am sorry that the forum rules do NOT allow a wide range of information that could be helpful to all of its users. Thanks.
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I dont know any specifics of why you posted this, but always consider this:
1. Sponsors pay the bills. Bandwith and co-lo costs for a site of this scale are huge.
2. Sponsors will only take so much non-sponsor advertising before they themselves get aggrivated, and stop paying the bills.
3. The freedom of speech is not guarenteed on these forums.
Just kick back and chill out. I see things sometimes that I dont like, but, in the end, its not my decision.
1. Sponsors pay the bills. Bandwith and co-lo costs for a site of this scale are huge.
2. Sponsors will only take so much non-sponsor advertising before they themselves get aggrivated, and stop paying the bills.
3. The freedom of speech is not guarenteed on these forums.
Just kick back and chill out. I see things sometimes that I dont like, but, in the end, its not my decision.
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Sponsors pay good money to advertise on here. It's not fair to them to allow non sponsors to advertise the same product. Put yourself in a sponsor's shoes for a moment , how would you feel about this? And as for us being strictly sponsor oriented , I can cite more than one instance when a sponsor was removed for poor service to site users.We've also had people wanting to be a sponsor on here that the owners felt would not give good service/product to site users so they were turned down.It's not all about the benjamins , sunsetta. I'm not trying to be harsh here , but honestly letting you know why things are the way they are here.
You are allowed to mention non-sponsors to a certain point, as long as you are not posting up contact information or pricing. There however is a line which when crossed, we do intervene as the sponsors do support the board and help pay for all of this that you enjoy.
Originally Posted by cyphur_traq
You are allowed to mention non-sponsors to a certain point, as long as you are not posting up contact information or pricing. There however is a line which when crossed, we do intervene as the sponsors do support the board and help pay for all of this that you enjoy.
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Besides paying the humungoid costs to the keep our server happy , you DO realize they put a lot of money for payouts on the LS1tech drag racing series, right? The owners aren't pocketing a whole lot of cash here.
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I have a question. If the sponsors pay so much to support the site, why the hell is it so slow at times? I asked about this a while ago and I didn't get a response, and it's not my connection because I can be browsing other forums at the same time and I get lightning quick responses. Maybe it's time to step up to a bigger pipeline?
I do agree tho, we should have a special forum for this kind of stuff. As Tony knows, I found a site that would offer a special deal on something for a good price and wanted to offer it to the community but because he wasn't a sponsor I was unable to offer it to everyone. I mentioned the idea of becoming a sponsor to the vendor but got no reply =/
I generally will always buy from sponsors BECAUSE they offer great prices, support a very important site and are generally trustworthy ( a very few bad apples here and there ) but if someone can offer a great deal to the community.
Oh and I do see where the sponsors are coming from, I wouldn't want to be paying for something and then have someone come in and get the "same" for free.
No harm meant in this post, just voicing my opinion
I do agree tho, we should have a special forum for this kind of stuff. As Tony knows, I found a site that would offer a special deal on something for a good price and wanted to offer it to the community but because he wasn't a sponsor I was unable to offer it to everyone. I mentioned the idea of becoming a sponsor to the vendor but got no reply =/
I generally will always buy from sponsors BECAUSE they offer great prices, support a very important site and are generally trustworthy ( a very few bad apples here and there ) but if someone can offer a great deal to the community.
Oh and I do see where the sponsors are coming from, I wouldn't want to be paying for something and then have someone come in and get the "same" for free.
No harm meant in this post, just voicing my opinion
If people would read the dozen or so times Brains has explained(and I have rehashed his explanation in different threads) in this forum, you would understand.
The current software that this board runs on only supports one specific database program, and that database program is being pushed to the limits by our forum. Until the current forum software supports more types of databases or we can custom code our own support - which introduces MANY more problems in and of itself down the road which we'd have to fix then, and would be just as bad then - then Brains has to keep bandaid-ing the site to keep the performance at its top levels.
The current software that this board runs on only supports one specific database program, and that database program is being pushed to the limits by our forum. Until the current forum software supports more types of databases or we can custom code our own support - which introduces MANY more problems in and of itself down the road which we'd have to fix then, and would be just as bad then - then Brains has to keep bandaid-ing the site to keep the performance at its top levels.
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Originally Posted by Brandon
1TB + of data transfer a month isnt cheap...
That's beside the point and this post isn't about that, it's changing into something completely different.
I and others ( I'm sure ) would like to see maybe a "specific" forum section for non-site sponsors. Who knows, if the vendor sells enough of a product they might look into becoming a vendor, who knows. Point is I'd like to see "offers" from people who can beat prices that are out there OR offer a product to the 50 thousand users on this site that nobody else offers. If I can purchase something from a non vendor for 79.95+5.95 shipping myself or get 15 other people who want the same thing and get it for 70 dollars shipped, what do you think I'd want to do?
Some vendors don't want to be sponsors here, probably because of the cost ( who knows why ) but to punish us into not being able to recieve the savings is NOT helping the LS1 community, just your own pocket book.
If this pisses some people off, oh well, I respect the opinions of others and I would expect the same in return..
50 bucks a month for 10gb is about right. But 1TB = 1,000 GB. Which is 100 times more bandwidth a month you were using.....
You may not think thats a lot....but thats a HUNDRED TIMES what you were using. Thats a shitload of bandwidth. If you just used sheer scaling off of what you were paying, thats $5k a month for bandwidth alone.
Anyhow, the point is that sponsors pay for this site. An idea is that if people want to make money by advertising from this site, then they need to pay for it. Its an age old adage....need to spend money to make money........ I agree maybe we should look into some lower brackets for sponsorship for smaller individual entities, but the rates we have per month are still some of the LOWEST for any major site in our community(LS1's).
If you can't afford 100 bucks a month, and you're selling $75+ parts/services, then either your margin is too close, you don't have a solid business plan, or you're greedy. Simple as that.
You may not think thats a lot....but thats a HUNDRED TIMES what you were using. Thats a shitload of bandwidth. If you just used sheer scaling off of what you were paying, thats $5k a month for bandwidth alone.
Anyhow, the point is that sponsors pay for this site. An idea is that if people want to make money by advertising from this site, then they need to pay for it. Its an age old adage....need to spend money to make money........ I agree maybe we should look into some lower brackets for sponsorship for smaller individual entities, but the rates we have per month are still some of the LOWEST for any major site in our community(LS1's).
If you can't afford 100 bucks a month, and you're selling $75+ parts/services, then either your margin is too close, you don't have a solid business plan, or you're greedy. Simple as that.
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That would be great to see, or maybe look into something of letting a sponsor offer ONE "free" group purchase, if their product sells good enough it would encourage them to become a sponsor which in turn would satisfy everyone
Oh and I agree with you about the monthly fee aswell.
Oh and I agree with you about the monthly fee aswell.
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The proposed sponsor should be able to tell by market analysis of this site if their product would sale or not. Its very simple to see what people are buying, or wanting to buy from, or through the site. Show me any other form of advertising that will sale as many products for as cheap as this site, please. Every page has a random orientation of sponsors to the right, aswell as banners across the top. The cost per month advertising here, (with a good business plan/practice) is so minimal its funny. Any company with a good business plan should be able to sling ~$100/mo (same number as you posted, dont know exacting information) towards getting their information and product known to nearly 50,000 members, with an average of nearly 1000 people on this site over a 24hour period.
The sponsors to the right pay the bills for this site, they deserve decency of not having companies and do-it-yourselfer's promoting their prices/products on this site for free.
The sponsors to the right pay the bills for this site, they deserve decency of not having companies and do-it-yourselfer's promoting their prices/products on this site for free.
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Originally Posted by FelixIlka
If you go by what badride42 has said, the site brings in MORE and I mean MORE than enough, to easily fuel that and much more... I ran my own game on the net and I was paying 50 bucks a month for 10gb of bandwidth.
ABC/CBS/etc all make MORE THAN ENOUGH income as it is. I doubt General Motors would pay for commecial advertising if Ford Motor Company got their commercial advertising for free. I'd also care to guess that General Motors would be pissed off about Daimler Chrysler getting "free" commercial advertising for their new vehicle, JUST to see if the market that ABC/CBS/etc are in, would support that new vehicle, and make it worth their time to pay for commercial advertising on those networks.
See how it works? You can't make a company pay for advertising/sponsorship and let another company come into the areana to "test" the market on their products.
I just mentioned Mark Shaner for TB porting and the administrator got down on me big time because Mark is not a sponsor, but back when I was looking for someone, Bo White acted like he was real selective about whether he wanted to do the work and when if at all. That's poor business, but he is a sponsor. I guess that's what the forum wants though. Case closed.
Bo White is no longer a sponsor. He hasn't been for quite a few months. He had to drop his sponsorship due to a change in jobs and a lack of time. Instead of trying to cram it into his VERY LIMITED free time, he decided to back out of the business. Bo is a great guy, and it shows in his decision - he didn't want to risk a slip in customer service, so he instead stopped doing throttle bodies. He may return later, but for now he is not a sponsor.
Nor is Mark Shaner, who does not sponsor the forum, however he does know about the forum, as I've spoken to him personally. Since he doesn't sponsor he doesn't get the benefits of any advertising of his products here.
There have been a few vendors in the past that I have wanted to pimp around here that have not sponsored, before and while I have been a moderator, and haven't been able to. They don't want to sponsor, they don't get the benefits, simple as that. Its a business decision on their part, no need for us to get emotional about it.
Nor is Mark Shaner, who does not sponsor the forum, however he does know about the forum, as I've spoken to him personally. Since he doesn't sponsor he doesn't get the benefits of any advertising of his products here.
There have been a few vendors in the past that I have wanted to pimp around here that have not sponsored, before and while I have been a moderator, and haven't been able to. They don't want to sponsor, they don't get the benefits, simple as that. Its a business decision on their part, no need for us to get emotional about it.
Last edited by cyphur_traq; Oct 16, 2005 at 06:48 PM.
indeed, Bo White is a top notch guy, I can't say enough good things about him. Hopefully he comes back to our community as a sponsor, his work is outstanding. He made the right choice by dropping out as a sponsor, rather than kill himself between his "real" job and the work he did on throttle bodies, cylinder heads, etc.