"GM: We Made Bad Cars — Sorry"...
12-08-2008, 09:40 PM
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Ill agree on the window motors I have/had a 98 Grand AM(GT) and the motors are slower then my 20$ RC car motors, my birds window is ******* up now to whic really pisses me off, **** GM's eletric motor.
**** the 10 bolt
**** the fli up head light gears
thats about it everything else I like
Oh wait the SHITTY *** SOUND SYSTEM!
**** the 10 bolt
**** the fli up head light gears
thats about it everything else I like
Oh wait the SHITTY *** SOUND SYSTEM!
12-08-2008, 09:48 PM
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I deal with all type of cars every day there is no car that is perfect I own a camaro by choice and love it yes it has it proplems so does every other car im not going to bash my car
12-08-2008, 09:55 PM
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Well GM was deffinitly behind from 90's-2005 at least the motor and tranny the most important part of these cars are strong and reliable! If you kept you car stock the 10bolt would be fine too! Why are people complaining about the 4th gen f-body when its been one of the best bang for the buck!
12-08-2008, 10:45 PM
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Guys, if you don't like GM or it's cars, go buy a Camry and like it !!!
GM deserves to be helped out, and this is the first time in 100 years they've asked for help. The executives, I agree 100%, don't deserve a nickel because they're running an icon of American industry into the ground and laughing all the way to the bank. They're way is paved by putting hard working engineers, technicians, and laborers out on the street. The engineering in GM is absolutely top notch, but it's the most mismanaged company on the planet. We might not be in this situation now if guys like John Delorean and Ross Perot had been given their due. GM has already put thousands of people out of work because of management's carelessness, let's not let another million go out of work or screw 500,000 retired workers out of the pension they earned.
Over the past 5 years, GM's cars have earned a lot of praise. Most recently, the Saturn Aura, Chevy Malibu, and Cadillac CTS have all been praised for being leaders in their class.
GM deserves to be helped out, and this is the first time in 100 years they've asked for help. The executives, I agree 100%, don't deserve a nickel because they're running an icon of American industry into the ground and laughing all the way to the bank. They're way is paved by putting hard working engineers, technicians, and laborers out on the street. The engineering in GM is absolutely top notch, but it's the most mismanaged company on the planet. We might not be in this situation now if guys like John Delorean and Ross Perot had been given their due. GM has already put thousands of people out of work because of management's carelessness, let's not let another million go out of work or screw 500,000 retired workers out of the pension they earned.
Over the past 5 years, GM's cars have earned a lot of praise. Most recently, the Saturn Aura, Chevy Malibu, and Cadillac CTS have all been praised for being leaders in their class.
12-09-2008, 12:47 AM
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Here we go! You guys are all over the place. 1. Don't hear you whinerts whining when the cute blonde with the tight butt comes over and asked if you would give her a ride! 2. I'm sure we have the engineers to develope quality vehicles, but can't build them. Kinda like payback for the unions bending them over all these years. Hard to make quality products when the money is going in to the guy's(or girls) pocket who is tightening two bumper bolts for $57.00 an hour!! 3, camaro's could be built with the same quality as the corvette, but then again, it would cost $47,000, base model. Has GM been mismanaged? Hell yes. Should they pay for it, will it change the past? Should they be held responsible from this point forward? Of course.
Long live GM........................oh by the way, where did the oldsmobiles go??
Long live GM........................oh by the way, where did the oldsmobiles go??
12-09-2008, 12:52 AM
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Guys, if you don't like GM or it's cars, go buy a Camry and like it !!!
GM deserves to be helped out, and this is the first time in 100 years they've asked for help. The executives, I agree 100%, don't deserve a nickel because they're running an icon of American industry into the ground and laughing all the way to the bank. They're way is paved by putting hard working engineers, technicians, and laborers out on the street. The engineering in GM is absolutely top notch, but it's the most mismanaged company on the planet. We might not be in this situation now if guys like John Delorean and Ross Perot had been given their due. GM has already put thousands of people out of work because of management's carelessness, let's not let another million go out of work or screw 500,000 retired workers out of the pension they earned.
Over the past 5 years, GM's cars have earned a lot of praise. Most recently, the Saturn Aura, Chevy Malibu, and Cadillac CTS have all been praised for being leaders in their class.
GM deserves to be helped out, and this is the first time in 100 years they've asked for help. The executives, I agree 100%, don't deserve a nickel because they're running an icon of American industry into the ground and laughing all the way to the bank. They're way is paved by putting hard working engineers, technicians, and laborers out on the street. The engineering in GM is absolutely top notch, but it's the most mismanaged company on the planet. We might not be in this situation now if guys like John Delorean and Ross Perot had been given their due. GM has already put thousands of people out of work because of management's carelessness, let's not let another million go out of work or screw 500,000 retired workers out of the pension they earned.
Over the past 5 years, GM's cars have earned a lot of praise. Most recently, the Saturn Aura, Chevy Malibu, and Cadillac CTS have all been praised for being leaders in their class.
12-09-2008, 01:19 AM
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if i remember correctly back in 00 when my pops bought a brand new 01 gmc sierra fully loaded there was a black trans am ws.6 in the showroom and they wanted a lil over 33k for it, so it wasnt that cheap as far as pricing went.
12-09-2008, 03:39 AM
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I swear there are alot of Marxists on this site, "Screw the CEO's, all for the proletariat!" WTF??!!
I would like to see GM get the loan and pay it off, but hearing about the 'Car czar' scares me. I would rather GM go under than see the government have a part in its running. Government just keeps getting bigger and bigger. We don't need them in our cars.
Oh well if GM goes under then Ill just buy old cars or fords.
I would like to see GM get the loan and pay it off, but hearing about the 'Car czar' scares me. I would rather GM go under than see the government have a part in its running. Government just keeps getting bigger and bigger. We don't need them in our cars.
Oh well if GM goes under then Ill just buy old cars or fords.
12-09-2008, 09:46 AM
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i vote you be removed from the list. sell your car to a appreciative person and buy a shitstang. the cars were budget go fast machines, not ******* luxury cars with gobs of goodies.
just to debunk your whole list
my 99ss
155k miles, orig motor and a4 trans and rear end,
13.0 at 107 lid and catback.
27 mph hwy and was still running strong the day it was totatled.
never had 1 problem with the car, not 1, replcaed the battery and tires and brakes, and drove it weekly to the strip cutting low 1.7 60's on dr's
just to debunk your whole list
my 99ss
155k miles, orig motor and a4 trans and rear end,
13.0 at 107 lid and catback.
27 mph hwy and was still running strong the day it was totatled.
never had 1 problem with the car, not 1, replcaed the battery and tires and brakes, and drove it weekly to the strip cutting low 1.7 60's on dr's
12-09-2008, 09:52 AM
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Guys, if you don't like GM or it's cars, go buy a Camry and like it !!!
GM deserves to be helped out, and this is the first time in 100 years they've asked for help. The executives, I agree 100%, don't deserve a nickel because they're running an icon of American industry into the ground and laughing all the way to the bank. They're way is paved by putting hard working engineers, technicians, and laborers out on the street. The engineering in GM is absolutely top notch, but it's the most mismanaged company on the planet. We might not be in this situation now if guys like John Delorean and Ross Perot had been given their due. GM has already put thousands of people out of work because of management's carelessness, let's not let another million go out of work or screw 500,000 retired workers out of the pension they earned.
Over the past 5 years, GM's cars have earned a lot of praise. Most recently, the Saturn Aura, Chevy Malibu, and Cadillac CTS have all been praised for being leaders in their class.
GM deserves to be helped out, and this is the first time in 100 years they've asked for help. The executives, I agree 100%, don't deserve a nickel because they're running an icon of American industry into the ground and laughing all the way to the bank. They're way is paved by putting hard working engineers, technicians, and laborers out on the street. The engineering in GM is absolutely top notch, but it's the most mismanaged company on the planet. We might not be in this situation now if guys like John Delorean and Ross Perot had been given their due. GM has already put thousands of people out of work because of management's carelessness, let's not let another million go out of work or screw 500,000 retired workers out of the pension they earned.
Over the past 5 years, GM's cars have earned a lot of praise. Most recently, the Saturn Aura, Chevy Malibu, and Cadillac CTS have all been praised for being leaders in their class.
12-09-2008, 01:43 PM
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Your company isn't ****.
You'd rather they don't exist and leave all those people unemployed?
Unfortunately, if you went under nobody would notice. If GM goes under, the world and our economy suffers greatly.
12-09-2008, 01:57 PM
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hmm wierd. Of the things listed the tranny has only given me problems. but thats expected from a H/C/N20 car on a stock tranny. After getting that built, the car is great. the factory stuff is holding up better than most my aftermarket stuff. and putting down over 500 RWHP on only a 100 shot, my rear has had 0 problems. I think these cars are great. The fact stands though, that GM is mismanaged. should they go bankrupt? definitely not
12-09-2008, 01:59 PM
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I swear there are alot of Marxists on this site, "Screw the CEO's, all for the proletariat!" WTF??!!
I would like to see GM get the loan and pay it off, but hearing about the 'Car czar' scares me. I would rather GM go under than see the government have a part in its running. Government just keeps getting bigger and bigger. We don't need them in our cars.
Oh well if GM goes under then Ill just buy old cars or fords.
I would like to see GM get the loan and pay it off, but hearing about the 'Car czar' scares me. I would rather GM go under than see the government have a part in its running. Government just keeps getting bigger and bigger. We don't need them in our cars.
Oh well if GM goes under then Ill just buy old cars or fords.
Anyone talking about GM's quality issues needs to take a look at the past 3-4 years. I think they've made a huge turnaround. They've been ranked ahead of most of the previous leaders. Of course I could be mistaken. I don't honestly believe their cars are bad nowadays.
12-09-2008, 02:18 PM
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LoL, I love GM and think they deserve to be bailed out as well. The negative impact I feel of them going under would be to great. And I think considering that they've been around since 1908 puttin bread and butter on alot of hard working Americans dinner tables stands for something.
And alot of people are going under, it's just the times we're in.
And to add to that list:
Con's-
Opti went bad after 120k
Water pump went bad after 80k
Trans went bad after 110k
Blew a head gasket after 100k
Power steering pump after 140k
Ignition cylinder after 120k
Driver side window motor after 90k
Diff after 110k
Pro's
Destroyed countless late model Mustang GT's, Mach 1's, Evo's, STI's and hung with some street bikes that are either rated at more hp, or cost 2 to 3 times as much as my Camaro
Proud of the fact that I didn't switch up to the next best thing, just cuz it was in style
Have used and abused, and maintained my F Body for 5 plus years as a daily driver.
Learned something bout myself, and my camaro every time she breaks, everytime me or the guys pick up a wrench, and everytime she gets right back up.
GM guy for life....
And alot of people are going under, it's just the times we're in.
And to add to that list:
Con's-
Opti went bad after 120k
Water pump went bad after 80k
Trans went bad after 110k
Blew a head gasket after 100k
Power steering pump after 140k
Ignition cylinder after 120k
Driver side window motor after 90k
Diff after 110k
Pro's
Destroyed countless late model Mustang GT's, Mach 1's, Evo's, STI's and hung with some street bikes that are either rated at more hp, or cost 2 to 3 times as much as my Camaro
Proud of the fact that I didn't switch up to the next best thing, just cuz it was in style
Have used and abused, and maintained my F Body for 5 plus years as a daily driver.
Learned something bout myself, and my camaro every time she breaks, everytime me or the guys pick up a wrench, and everytime she gets right back up.
GM guy for life....
I fail to see those as CONs..
Those arent really that bad.. Geez most of those are over 100K miles... Thats not GM, thats almost every car...
12-09-2008, 07:47 PM
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2. I'm sure we have the engineers to develope quality vehicles, but can't build them. Kinda like payback for the unions bending them over all these years. Hard to make quality products when the money is going in to the guy's(or girls) pocket who is tightening two bumper bolts for $57.00 an hour!! 3, camaro's could be built with the same quality as the corvette, but then again, it would cost $47,000, base model. Has GM been mismanaged? Hell yes. Should they pay for it, will it change the past? Should they be held responsible from this point forward? Of course.
Long live GM........................oh by the way, where did the oldsmobiles go??
Long live GM........................oh by the way, where did the oldsmobiles go??
3. Another issue. Corvette is Chevy's top dog. Nothing can be better than the Corvette. Don't ask questions. Just sit down and shut up.
They have indeed improved greatly, but a big problem is most of the GM cars on the road (the ones that people see every day) are the low-quality vehicles that GM has been producing for over 95% of it's life, and GM hasn't been advertising/showing off their newfound quality as much as they could be. Ford managed to make a good turnaround. GM will have to do the same.