180ls1

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ok lets plot it out then since people keep thinking bush has killed economy


-bush takes office january 2001
-the market drops untill early 2003 where it starts to rise, when the iraq war started
-it peaked in october of 2007 before the lending crisis started to take effect. (which bush warned about)

looks like bush has really hurt the economy huh? and the economy is not really effected by war as much as it was in the past, because america is not a industrial nation, and is more of an service nation now. And to say the war caused this or that in the economy is somewhat foolish because we have had times of huge growth and now times of huge loss within the same war.

LS1Adam84

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I will say I don't blame them for our economic problems I am stating that they do no real good for our economy when a majority end up going to live back in mexico. It's like you leave your parents house and say **** you I can do better on my own then you move out somewhere you don't feel like you belong just to make some money but then in the end you say mom dad can I am moving back home. Hell no once you are here then you are here no going back does this look like a damn convenience store.

drain89

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I love all the geniuses on this site!
During the Clinton years the illegal immigrants were still only doing on a large scale jobs that many of us lazy-*** americans were too trifiling to do (after all over half of us are now fat), like picking fruit, farm work, etc. If the legislators would have put all the welfare trash out there to earn their checks, food-stamps, and medical cards; it would not have left an opportunity for them to invade us and saturate those jobs, but that's beside the point.
Since then they have started taking over construction/building trades and other blue-collar jobs. First residential jobs in southern and western states, now they're even here in West Virginia, south eastern Ohio, and eastern Kentucky on my jobs (residential and even commercial and industrial). Nothing makes you feel great about the progression of our nation like seeing guys making fair wages replaced by ones making 1/4 to 1/3 the wages while the contractor still continues to increase his charges to the customer.
So instead of getting the economy going by putting displaced american workers back to work with good paying jobs...let's do everything we can to look the other way while they saturate construction and more mainstream blue-collar or working class jobs and in-turn drive down wages.

drain89

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Dude...you've got to stop buying that elitist bullship propoganda talked in your economics and buisiness classes. Remember...just cause you read it and it sounds good in theory...it isn't necessarily true. We are moving from an industrial and manufacturing nation to a service industry nation. Our largest industry is now financial services. People who used to work in steel mills and manufacturing facilities now work at Wal-Mart for half of what they made 20 years ago. WTF...how is that supposed to work???

hlaalu

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thank you, someone who gets it.

and most people also don't realize how hard it was for bush to get any bills passed because of the democratic congress!

drain89

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Here's our chance... www.modernwhig.org
The Whig party has been reborn. If your tired of the excessive greed or fundamentalist christian wackos in the Republican party who despite claiming to be a conservative party, they actually increase the government as bad as the dems and throw money at the problems; but can't go along with all the bleeding heart liberals who's answer is also to throw money at the problems of our nation...then this party's for you. Check it out guys before you judge.
Just a few quick facts:
Started in 2007 as a veterans advocacy group for Iraq and Afganistan vets.
Already about 20,000 members, of which about half are vets.
Believe in a moderate, common sense approach to government...most importantly smaller government. Let the states decide for themselves. Pretty much the same ideas this nation was founded under.

180ls1

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i am not buying any propoganda. EDIT: i meant to say moving from industrial to service nation. i will go fix that, sorry for the mix up. I knew i would type something wrong.

mikejones

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thu..._graph_xxl.jpg

Here's a chart showing the economy after Bush became president.

hlaalu

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I think that is suppose to be the DJI yesterday right after Obama was sworn in.

mikejones

Nope, your thinking about the other chart above mine.

180ls1

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dude look at the legit chart that i posted dont be an ignorant liberal. The market went down for a little while after he got elected because he inherited a declining economy from clinton.

180ls1

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hahaha, this is true

rzuff

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3 guys to blame.

1. Bush. He kept braggin about the amount of people that owned homes. He did mention there was need for regulation but not loudly and soundly enough.
2. Chris Dodd. "DEM" This main should be out of a job. He is a lying cheating man who helped create the monster Fanny's
3. Barney Frank "Dem" This fruit loop is dummer then rocks. Just last year around this time said everything is fine with Fredie and Fanne. He also cause the deregulation and forced banks to lend me to dead beats. I can't stand this guy.

The amazing thing is 2 out of the 3 still have jobs.

Here's what Obama needs to do.

1. Cap gas prices at $2.49 a gallon
2. Offer 3.5% 30year fixed home loans to qualified people.
3. bailout of home owners who have been responsible but have been hurt by the 3 men mentioned above.

BackInBlack02

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Holy cow!!
everyone here has got an excuse/reason or a gripe. Damn it, that's not what I intended with this thread, I started this thread to try and see if there were SOLUTIONS, realistic solutions, not a bunch of excuses and finger pointing. We all know why and how, some are good points and angles but I'm hoping for the geniuses here to come up with the FIX.

For starters, I'd like to see all branches of the state have accountability and consequences like in private work. If you can't do your job, they'll find someone who can. If you can balance the budget, you're out and they'll get it balanced somehow and not go belly up. It is true that this has happened in the private business, but I can't remember seeing it as much as it is exposed in state government. Not sure that this is realistic in government but I'm guessing it would fix a lot issues if it could happen.

Let's try to turn this around and be positive/constructive!

BackInBlack02

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That's what I'm talking about!

hlaalu

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Ok before I hear anymore blame on Bush, I'm going to give everyone a quick lesson about our government that most of you seem to have forgot, despite the fact we learn this probably every single school year.

The government is a three part system:
Executive (this is the branch that the president is in charge of, and this branch alone)
Judicial (I'm not going to say how many people are in this branch, figure it out)
Legislative branch (I'm also not going to tell you how many people are in here, but this is where our senators represent us)

It is easy to blame one person instead of many, but go sit in a third grade class teaching government before you say it was all Bush's fault.


http://bensguide.gpo.gov/k-2/government/index.html

rzuff

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You seem to forgot that Bush assigns people that control interest rates. The two people he had assigned lowered interest rates far to low and created a false economy and then bragged about how many people owned homes. Sorry he has some responsibility.

BackInBlack02

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"the buck stops here" is a famous quote for a reason.

drain89

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Ok the blame game:
49% Our elected officials and for being greedy and corrupt; owned by special interest.
51% We the people for being too lazy and complacent to hold our elected officials accountable for their actions.

My god you Republicans can come across as such mindless tools. "Gotta be loyal to the party! Gotta be loyal to the party!"

Here's a simple solution: Instead of taking my hard-earned tax money and wasting it on these ill thought out bailouts with little or no accountablity that is basically nothing more than "mega-welfare" and instead put the money into large scale prevailing-wage infrastructure projects. The amount of good paying construction jobs it would create would be like a shot of antrophine to the heart of the economy. And the increased efficeincy in the outdated energy, communication, flood control, potable and waste water, and highway/interstate systems alone would save companies alone billions per year.

hlaalu

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i don't know how to make it any clearer. i even put up a picture. bush is only in charge of one branch, other branches need to approve the bills before they are passed.