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Old 09-25-2008, 03:13 AM
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make sure you know what length pushrod it needs before you order them..
^^^+1, get a pushrod length checker.
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Why spend the time swapping heads if your not going to add a cam???

243's are going to net 15-20RWHP Max

Any decent cam will add 35-50RWHP and is only $350 and half an hour of extra work on top of the head swap.

Just take the balancer off remove the front cover and oil pump and your doneyank the old **** out and add throw the new cam in.

I can't understand why anyone would do a 3-5 hour head job and not take another hour to swap the cam...
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Originally Posted by james562
Why spend the time swapping heads if your not going to add a cam???

243's are going to net 15-20RWHP Max

Any decent cam will add 35-50RWHP and is only $350 and half an hour of extra work on top of the head swap.

Just take the balancer off remove the front cover and oil pump and your doneyank the old **** out and add throw the new cam in.

I can't understand why anyone would do a 3-5 hour head job and not take another hour to swap the cam...
dont forget...doinf an in car cam swap, you must also remove the radiator and fan shroud assembly.
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Originally Posted by james562
Why spend the time swapping heads if your not going to add a cam???

243's are going to net 15-20RWHP Max

Any decent cam will add 35-50RWHP and is only $350 and half an hour of extra work on top of the head swap.

Just take the balancer off remove the front cover and oil pump and your doneyank the old **** out and add throw the new cam in.

I can't understand why anyone would do a 3-5 hour head job and not take another hour to swap the cam...
Not when you factor in springs, retainers, locks, & chromoly pr's. But I agree, heads AND cam or nothing at all.
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ryne, do you personally port your shops cylinder heads?
yes........
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man west coast cylinder heads told me 1365$ to port my heads. seems wayyyyyyy steep. i just want them ported they are saying when they port them they have to put larger valves in too. has anyone else heard this
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Originally Posted by jsteele90
man west coast cylinder heads told me 1365$ to port my heads. seems wayyyyyyy steep. i just want them ported they are saying when they port them they have to put larger valves in too. has anyone else heard this
what good would enlarging the ports do if the the valve is still the same size? think about it. thats like widening the 15 freeway to 5 lanes but still have a 2 lane section.
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1 more thing.

fast
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you can only pick 2.
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dont know much about head porting guess you learn something new every day. thanks
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Originally Posted by jsteele90
dont know much about head porting guess you learn something new every day. thanks
this sounds like something you should save for and do the cam at the same time, putting ported heads on a stock motor would be senseless like mentioned before, save up for the cam and get the heads done and do it all at once.
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for that price for porting and the price of the heads thats almost 2grand. **** i shouldve just bought afr heads then. i had no idea porting was that expensive. i can buy heads from texas speed already done for cheaper than 1365$
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Originally Posted by jsteele90
for that price for porting and the price of the heads thats almost 2grand. **** i shouldve just bought afr heads then. i had no idea porting was that expensive. i can buy heads from texas speed already done for cheaper than 1365$
I have read about sending out 243's to be ported for ~$600, don't know where though. I think you should do some research on it. Good luck.
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well call tsp because i know they port heads so you might save money there. Or you can always sell the ones you got and then save up.
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You should have waited for a deal like this

https://ls1tech.com/forums/lsx-parts-sale/991732-stage-3-patriot-6-0l-heads-f-s.html
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Originally Posted by 94'BLKBRD
You should have waited for a deal like this

https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=991732
it is just kinda hard to buy heads without flow numbers, kinda like buying a car with out knowing how many miles are on it.
It seems like those are still a good deal though.
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Originally Posted by jsteele90
for that price for porting and the price of the heads thats almost 2grand. **** i shouldve just bought afr heads then. i had no idea porting was that expensive. i can buy heads from texas speed already done for cheaper than 1365$
Like i said send them out to Patriot for their $600 CNC job.

Or PM Suck my SS he might be able to find a cheaper local alternative.
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Originally Posted by camarojunky74
what good would enlarging the ports do if the the valve is still the same size? think about it. thats like widening the 15 freeway to 5 lanes but still have a 2 lane section.
You do understand that some of the big time race cars use valve sizes no larger than 2.050" right? Its all about physics, larger runners and larger valves is just going to get a lot of air but make less velocity than a chamber thats shaped right into a stock sized valves. Bigger is not always better. Its all about loads of money and someone who has done years of testing and has lots of experience with what produces the best results.

So to answer the question, as long as you enlarge the ports properly you will be fine with keeping stock sized valves. So if your going to get bigger valves with large runners/ports, I would really make sure the person doing it has put out a quality job before with proven performance.
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Originally Posted by Almostryan3
You do understand that some of the big time race cars use valve sizes no larger than 2.050" right? Its all about physics, larger runners and larger valves is just going to get a lot of air but make less velocity than a chamber thats shaped right into a stock sized valves. Bigger is not always better. Its all about loads of money and someone who has done years of testing and has lots of experience with what produces the best results.

So to answer the question, as long as you enlarge the ports properly you will be fine with keeping stock sized valves. So if your going to get bigger valves with large runners/ports, I would really make sure the person doing it has put out a quality job before with proven performance.
were talking about an ls1, not a 500 cubic inch big block, but yes i undertand what you are saying.
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Originally Posted by camarojunky74
were talking about an ls1, not a 500 cubic inch big block, but yes i undertand what you are saying.
Yes I understand, but thats what I mean, if a big block motor running sub 8s can do it with that small of a valve no reason a LS1 shouldn't be able to with the proper runner shape and such.

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Velocity
Turbulence
Tumble
Quench
Flow

They all come into play, all must be of a certain type and ratio to work in harmony. Too much of one or another is not necessarily good, and might even harm the whole process. (I know there is more, just a short example)

There are heads that use stock valves and flow in the low 290's that will outperform large valve 320cfm heads that were just hogged out to within an inch of their lives without any thought given to the overall design of the chamber and runners.


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