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Old 04-03-2015, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by severancej
You don't need a mechman for 600watts or even 1000 rms.
You need a quality agm battery.
No to the capacitor.

Brands don't matter a ton on entry level stuff it's mostly about the install and tuning, but Don't discount the small names they are better imo. Learn about clipping both from over driving and low voltage so you have a idea how speakers and amps get blown, and how to avoid that.
I'm curious about what you mean by clipping from low voltage? That's a new one for me. Perhaps there's another name or description?
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
How do these two stack up against each other (other than the Zeus being 300x2 and the T400x2 being 200x2)

HiFonics BEX850.4 Brutus Elite and HiFonics ZEX1250.2 Zeus Elite
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Rockford Fosgate T400X4ad and Rockford Fosgate T400X2ad
The days of using a 2 channel amp to power subs a LONG dead and gone, search for Class-D Monoblocks, any good one is stable down to 1 ohm.

Originally Posted by severancej
Rockford all day over Hifonics man those two are not even comparable lol
Yes Rockford is a great brand, but there prices reflect that, Hifonics (like the other sub-brands owned by the parent company Maxxsonics, Including Autotek, MB Quart and Crunch) is an interesting one, they have several tiers of quality, they have there cheap severely overrated stuff (2500 watts from an amp with an 80 amp fuse for example) then they have there CEA2006 CERTIFIED amps that are great and put out tons of power for considerably cheaper then Rockford.

OP, what ever amps you look at make sure they are CEA2006 certified otherwise they will likely be severely over-rated (like claiming 2000 watts when they really do 800 watts).
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Originally Posted by severancej
Also you don't need a 2 channel for you subs, it would work fine but a mono amp is usually cheaper for the same power rating and would actually offer more wiring options into a lower ohm load usually 1 ohm.
I prefer the sound of a 2ch amp non-bridged for subs.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Richards
The days of using a 2 channel amp to power subs a LONG dead and gone, search for Class-D Monoblocks, any good one is stable down to 1 ohm.



Yes Rockford is a great brand, but there prices reflect that, Hifonics (like the other sub-brands owned by the parent company Maxxsonics, Including Autotek, MB Quart and Crunch) is an interesting one, they have several tiers of quality, they have there cheap severely overrated stuff (2500 watts from an amp with an 80 amp fuse for example) then they have there CEA2006 CERTIFIED amps that are great and put out tons of power for considerably cheaper then Rockford.

OP, what ever amps you look at make sure they are CEA2006 certified otherwise they will likely be severely over-rated (like claiming 2000 watts when they really do 800 watts).
Wrong, the best amps made today aren't cea certified
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Originally Posted by Daniel Richards
The days of using a 2 channel amp to power subs a LONG dead and gone, search for Class-D Monoblocks, any good one is stable down to 1 ohm.



Yes Rockford is a great brand, but there prices reflect that, Hifonics (like the other sub-brands owned by the parent company Maxxsonics, Including Autotek, MB Quart and Crunch) is an interesting one, they have several tiers of quality, they have there cheap severely overrated stuff (2500 watts from an amp with an 80 amp fuse for example) then they have there CEA2006 CERTIFIED amps that are great and put out tons of power for considerably cheaper then Rockford.

OP, what ever amps you look at make sure they are CEA2006 certified otherwise they will likely be severely over-rated (like claiming 2000 watts when they really do 800 watts).
How would you compare the HiFonics Elite line (Zeus and Brutus) to the RF Power line?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Richards
the AD244 is a better starting point for building a high output alt off of.

But you also have to watch out, a lot of the cheaper HIGH output only do HALF there rated output at idle which is only like 10 more amps then the stock alt does at idle, watch out for those ebay HIGH output ones.
I'd rather purchase a complete, ready to go alternator. What kind of output would I need for a total RMS output of 1000W? What kind of output would be overkill, but I'd never have to worry with 1000W RMS?
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A xs d3400 and the big 3 would be plenty for a 1k set up, you don't need an alt for that much power, I'm only running one 350 amp in my truck and I'm running around 15-16k watts, I get bad drop but I can still beat on it for a good bit.
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
I'd rather purchase a complete, ready to go alternator. What kind of output would I need for a total RMS output of 1000W? What kind of output would be overkill, but I'd never have to worry with 1000W RMS?
You could still buy a "ready to go" alt just do it with the AD244 case style as it will last longer, the smaller case styles trying extract more power burn out easier, in all likely hood a stock AD244 would be enough of an upgrade with the big 3 and a good battery.
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Originally Posted by streetassasin
Wrong, the best amps made today aren't cea certified
but those guys costs 100's more and come with "birth sheets" stating there actual outputs, a MUCH cheaper CEA2006 amp is a smarter buy in my book.

what you see those is all these cheap amps that aren't cea2006 claiming high power and thats why in the entry to mid-level price points you have to watch out for ones that aren't.
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
How would you compare the HiFonics Elite line (Zeus and Brutus) to the RF Power line?
Rockford products are pretty much always top tier, quality stuff, but you will PAY for that, so long as the Hifonics amps are CEA2006, you can trust the power rating but you'll come in cheaper then Rockford then the non CEA2006 Hifonics are still decent amps you just can't trust the claimed power output which is why I wouldn't touch them.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Richards
Rockford products are pretty much always top tier, quality stuff, but you will PAY for that, so long as the Hifonics amps are CEA2006, you can trust the power rating but you'll come in cheaper then Rockford then the non CEA2006 Hifonics are still decent amps you just can't trust the claimed power output which is why I wouldn't touch them.
A couple of other message boards say "High end HiFonics" is CEA2006. I sent an e-mail to HiFonics asking for a list of their amps that are CEA2006. We'll see if they reply.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Richards
You could still buy a "ready to go" alt just do it with the AD244 case style as it will last longer, the smaller case styles trying extract more power burn out easier, in all likely hood a stock AD244 would be enough of an upgrade with the big 3 and a good battery.
How is this one? http://www.dbelectrical.com/p-9650-a...-firebird.aspx
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
Under Full Load Conditions, amperage output at 600engine rpm (idle) will peak at 100 Amps.
Under Full Load Conditions, amperage output at 1200engine rpm will peak at 200 Amps.
you will see the same idle output from a stock AD244 alt at 100 dollars cheaper, the stock 105 amp alt on your car does like 90 at idle for reference, that is exactly what I was talking about with the cheaper High Output alts, START with an AD244 and go from there if you want a higher output unit as it is a better starting point and if you are buying a replacement alt you might as well go with the proven better case size.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Richards
you will see the same idle output from a stock AD244 alt at 100 dollars cheaper, the stock 105 amp alt on your car does like 90 at idle for reference, that is exactly what I was talking about with the cheaper High Output alts, START with an AD244 and go from there if you want a higher output unit as it is a better starting point and if you are buying a replacement alt you might as well go with the proven better case size.
This one says it is AD244 and 250A for $170... too good to be true?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...B&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
This one says it is AD244 and 250A for $170... too good to be true?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...B&gclsrc=aw.ds
I wouldn't trust anything from a brand so hard to find reviews for. Remember you get what you pay for.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Richards
I wouldn't trust anything from a brand so hard to find reviews for. Remember you get what you pay for.
that is what I figured.. Is 98-02 F Body 2 pin or 4 pin alternator plug?
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
that is what I figured.. Is 98-02 F Body 2 pin or 4 pin alternator plug?
it's the 4-pin, thats why you need to get the pre-2005 version, the laters went to the 2 pin thats PCM controlled and will NEVER (short of replacing the voltage regulator) work in the f-body
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Originally Posted by severancej
Check out soundqubed audio
And check out sound solutions audio. Com. They sell bang for your buck quality stuff, as far as amps and speakers go.
Hifonics is not what i would run.
This..I'd go with a Sundown Subwoofer, Image Dynamics speakers, as far as Amplifier goes I like the Old Skool American Made stuff like LINEAR POWER, Orion, Fosgate, Soundstream etc..
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The only alt brands you need to look at are mechman, dc and singer. Im a huge singer fan, good alts and amazing customer service. IIRC my 350 amp was around $500-600
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Originally Posted by fspeedster
This..I'd go with a Sundown Subwoofer, Image Dynamics speakers,
I'm not getting a brand that I have never heard of.


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